Marathon Weekend 2019

[cburnett11]

You may only really be concerned about the jumping to the front of the corral and walking 4 across (NOT cool) rather than the fact of walking in the first 100 meters, but I can sometimes be sensitive to that, so sorry if I'm misinterpreting the bolded portion.

Sorry @ZellyB if I gave you the wrong impression. It wasn't about the walking. That was the least of my concerns, but just exaggerated the other issues I had. My wife and I were doing intervals ourselves, so certainly understand that. But I had been watching them enough to know they just began walking from the get go... which doesn't seem like an ideal strategy after you've forced yourself to the front and are already forming a wall in front of people that are excited, anxious, and maybe even already are hoping to sprint to the first port-o-potties... lol. I even looked behind me for a while after we passed and never saw them start to run, so if they were doing intervals it was a ratio I hadn't seen before. I have no problem with anyone walking the whole race... it is 26.2 miles either way and it's everyone's right to cover the distance however they want. But this group didn't appear to be going anywhere near the pace for the corral (it was the giant one starting at 5:30 prediction time), they chose to force their way to the front, and they were walking wide. The four abreast bothered me the most. My wife and I might be too sensitive about that, but we ran/walked single file most of the time and we are only two.

 

[Barca33Runner]

It doesn't help that people here and in various social media groups advise runners to "get to the front of your corral to have a time buffer." The advice isn't wrong, but I can see how folks - especially newbies - feel like they have to get to the front, even if it means pushing their way up because they didn't get there early enough. I'm a big fan of starting at the back of my corral, just to avoid all that!

I was in the last or second to last wave of every corral I was in for the week despite being in the corral on time. I’m not fussed about the front so I guess it’s easier for me to ignore the idiocy and rudeness of the corral jumpers and pushers. I think you’re right that there are a good number of people who think getting to start 2 minutes earlier (for pushers, I won’t address jumpers) will make or break their race.

As sad as it is, I think rD does as well as they reasonably can at policing. Unfortunately, the mentality of those willing to corral jump and push means they’re unlikely to respond to verbal reprimands and it would be unreasonable for volunteers to get into physical altercations to prevent bad behavior. We’re all at the mercy of everyone practicing respectful societal behavior and, unfortunately, even at Disney we get regular reminders that a portion of society isn’t interested in such things.

 

[ZellyB]

Sorry @ZellyB if I gave you the wrong impression. It wasn't about the walking. That was the least of my concerns, but just exaggerated the other issues I had. My wife and I were doing intervals ourselves, so certainly understand that. But I had been watching them enough to know they just began walking from the get go... which doesn't seem like an ideal strategy after you've forced yourself to the front and are already forming a wall in front of people that are excited, anxious, and maybe even already are hoping to sprint to the first port-o-potties... lol. I even looked behind me for a while after we passed and never saw them start to run, so if they were doing intervals it was a ratio I hadn't seen before. I have no problem with anyone walking the whole race... it is 26.2 miles either way and it's everyone's right to cover the distance however they want. But this group didn't appear to be going anywhere near the pace for the corral (it was the giant one starting at 5:30 prediction time), they chose to force their way to the front, and they were walking wide. The four abreast bothered me the most. My wife and I might be too sensitive about that, but we ran/walked single file most of the time and we are only two.

All good and like I said, walking 4 abreast ESPECIALLY when it's so crowded is a no-go for me as well!! There really is just a lot of lack of awareness of your fellow runner in these races.

 

[cburnett11]

There really is just a lot of lack of awareness of your fellow runner in these races.

I try to give most people a pass later on in a longer race. We all can lose our minds a bit late in a half or full... especially if we've pushed it, had weather issues, or any health complications. I've seen someone late in a marathon take a cup of water, quickly drink a sip, and throw it right back at the same volunteer. I couldn't believe it. I thanked/apologized to the volunteer and seriously judged that runner. Later on I got to thinking that the runner had probably hit the wall and had just gone into survival mode. This doesn't really excuse that runner, just got me thinking it wasn't necessarily intentionally rude. He may have just been barely hanging on with no real awareness of his surroundings. I've had some real struggles late in marathons and I'm sure I've accidentally cut someone off, muttered something ugly that should've have been audible, or who knows what else. But when I'm thinking clearly I do my best to respect my fellow runners.

 

[ZellyB]

Oh I think we've all been there late in a race when we do something stupid. Survival mode is a perfect description!!

 

[minniegirl19]

Has anyone had ankle pain by the bone after a race? My ankle hurt really bad afterwards and I just thought it was normal soreness but over the last few weeks it’s just been a dull pain here and there and then tonight at the end of my run it flared up bad. Trying to figure out if it’s my shoes or I’m running wrong. Hoping it’s not a muscle

 

[Dis_Yoda]

Has anyone had ankle pain by the bone after a race? My ankle hurt really bad afterwards and I just thought it was normal soreness but over the last few weeks it’s just been a dull pain here and there and then tonight at the end of my run it flared up bad. Trying to figure out if it’s my shoes or I’m running wrong. Hoping it’s not a muscle

Ankle pain that lasts that long means something isn’t right.

Go to a podiatrist or ankle specialist.

 

[bevcgg]

Unfortunately, the mentality of those willing to corral jump and push means they’re unlikely to respond to verbal reprimands and it would be unreasonable for volunteers to get into physical altercations to prevent bad behavior.

I was pleased to see at least 2 different volunteers go after jumpers and make them leave the corral. One couple I had just seen jump the fence as the corral was moving, we then passed a volunteer and I mentioned the girl had an H bib (in E)- and he went after them in a flash. I was super appreciative of those volunteers that took those roles seriously. Confronting someone like that (esp so early in the AM) takes some guts!

 

[drummerwife]

Has anyone had ankle pain by the bone after a race? My ankle hurt really bad afterwards and I just thought it was normal soreness but over the last few weeks it’s just been a dull pain here and there and then tonight at the end of my run it flared up bad. Trying to figure out if it’s my shoes or I’m running wrong. Hoping it’s not a muscle

Dis_Yoda is right you need to be seen by a podiatrist.
There are two major tendons on either side of the ankle. The peroneal tendon on the outside of the ankle and the posterior tibial tendon on the inside of the ankle. Either one of those can become inflamed and cause a lot of pain. The sooner you get it checked out, the sooner you can hopefully get back to pain free running. Good luck!

 

[Baloo in MI]

@minniegirl19 On this note, this is what got me - peroneal tendon. For me there were two factors the hard slip when I twisted my ankle pretty severely and then the next two plus months where I tried to let it heal on it’s own/run through it. Eventually going to the doctor and then later getting an MRI showed the damage to the peroneal. It was pretty extensive and as my surgeon said it would not have healed on its own in a functional way and would have eventually completely ruptured.

Not saying your injury is serious it may be really minor. But I would suggest letting a specialist take a look at it. Hoping for the best for you!

 

[roxymama]

What gives with people who show up to corrals way late and try to shove and push all the way to the front?

PSA - if your a$$ shows up late to the corral then your stuck at the back

I saw this at W&D and every race at Marathon weekend. At W&D there were guys who must have missed when they slotted B up the chute towards the startline. They shoved and pushed all the way to the front but the guys holding the corral wouldnt let them go up ahead atleast.

This reminds me of "general admission" at concerts and it's why I think my days of GA seating are over. Assigned seats from here on out.
I will say that I think it is ok to politely move up if there are big holes in the corrals, otherwise the back half of each pen of people would be packed in like sardines. As long as you aren't knocking into anyone and giving people room. But once you hit a wall of people you should stop. That's kind of what I always do. But I also usually get to the corrals early enough where people are still really spread out.

 

[hotblooded]

This reminds me of "general admission" at concerts and it's why I think my days of GA seating are over. Assigned seats from here on out.
I will say that I think it is ok to politely move up if there are big holes in the corrals, otherwise the back half of each pen of people would be packed in like sardines. As long as you aren't knocking into anyone and giving people room. But once you hit a wall of people you should stop. That's kind of what I always do. But I also usually get to the corrals early enough where people are still really spread out.

I do this too. If everyone is sitting down and there are huge gaps, I move up. I stop at the point where I’d actually have to weave.

 

[roxymama]

I do this too. If everyone is sitting down and there are huge gaps, I move up. I stop at the point where I’d actually have to weave.

Yep my friend and I were just casually walking up and when it was clearly full we shrugged and sat down too.
I also for my own sake need to let people go fast in front of me and catch them later, because I have a "starting too fast" issue if I'm not careful. So "toe-ing" the line of a corral would be detrimental to my race plan even without a PR attempt. I like to be in the middle if possible.

 

[jhoannam]

I got my very own DopeyBadger training plan, so excited to train smart and hard. I have half in April, I run a 15K in October. My goal for the half is 2:11, if I don’t accomplish that I’ll signup for another half. The end goal is Dopey 2020!!

 

[Sleepless Knight]

It's a great course for a PR, but get ready to trash your quads.

While watching Impressions de France a few hours after the marathon, my quads started to protest the bike riding scene in that film.

It doesn't help that people here and in various social media groups advise runners to "get to the front of your corral to have a time buffer."

I wonder how large that cushion really is though. I was in corral F for the marathon and the balloon ladies started roughly 15 minutes or so after I started. So there really wasn't that much cushion. I was never warned about being swept and I never heard how far ahead of pace I was, so I figured I would just continue at a comfortable pace knowing that they would warn me. I ran with the 6:30 pace group until the Haunted Mansion gravediggers so I believed I was okay and wound up finishing in 6:58.

I really think each runner should decide what they want from the experience and they must understand that they might have to choose between a particular photo or being swept especially if they're in a later corral.

I will say that I think it is ok to politely move up if there are big holes in the corrals, otherwise the back half of each pen of people would be packed in like sardines.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's anything wrong with this. You're not pushing your way to the start of the corral. You're moving up until there really isn't room to move up. I usually move forward until there isn't a pocket. There are usually a few smaller pockets for one or maybe two people. But if there aren't any, then I just wait.

 

[Disney at Heart]

@cburnett11 DH and I also did intervals for the marathon. He wore the Garmin and paced us. Most of the time I was 6-10 feet behind him. We even do our training runs single file.

 

[QueenFernando]

@cburnett11 DH and I also did intervals for the marathon. He wore the Garmin and paced us. Most of the time I was 6-10 feet behind him. We even do our training runs single file.

My DH and I are the same except that I do the pacing. I have to stay about 3 steps ahead of him or he keeps creeping the pace faster and faster. He's horrible at pacing. "Run fast until you drop" is his motto. But he will drop directly behind me if a car is coming.

 

[cavepig]

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's anything wrong with this. You're not pushing your way to the start of the corral. You're moving up until there really isn't room to move up. I usually move forward until there isn't a pocket. There are usually a few smaller pockets for one or maybe two people. But if there aren't any, then I just wait.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it. It's what did. No pushing or shoving at all, just moved up into open spaces.

 

[Z-Knight]

Has anyone see people get officially moved up in corrals as late as race morning? I mean someone getting an official sticker just before the race? I saw a Youtube couple post expo video where they showed bibs and they were on F. Then later in the video they were in hotel going to sleep and bibs still showed F. But then the following morning, during the race they were all of a sudden both sporting B stickers... And they looked like official ones i saw in other people's race pics. This couple had no business being in B though..4 hour HALF marathon and the guy was running his first one - there was a reason the original placement was in F.

This kind of crap by Disney just has me frustrated .. Either honor the corrals or just do stupid random placement like Run Disney France did in 2018 - btw, the France corrals were really really stupid

 

[rteetz]

Has anyone see people get officially moved up in corrals as late as race morning? I mean someone getting an official sticker just before the race? I saw a Youtube couple post expo video where they showed bibs and they were on F. Then later in the video they were in hotel going to sleep and bibs still showed F. But then the following morning, during the race they were all of a sudden both sporting B stickers... And they looked like official ones i saw in other people's race pics. This couple had no business being in B though..4 hour HALF marathon and the guy was running his first one - there was a reason the original placement was in F.

This kind of crap by Disney just has me frustrated .. Either honor the corrals or just do stupid random placement like Run Disney France did in 2018 - btw, the France corrals were really really stupid

I would guess they either went to runner info and got the switch or they got their own stickers. I have never personally seen that happen race morning but it wouldn't surprise me. I would also guess very few are able to get a switch race morning.