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Westcoastwild

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Yeah sorry never been in non gender bathroom.

And thank you I do teach my girls all the right things about others. Like I said I think more of the extreme cases where people take advantage of it.
I don't know what gender you are, but as a woman, I've used the men's room. They don't always have urinals. A lot of the newer ones don't. So the 5yr old in your example is unlikely to see anything. Although I think she's pretty unlikely to see anything anyway even with urinals?

Maybe I'm intruding on those delicate flowers that are manly men, but honestly, sometimes I just can't wait in the hour long line for the woman's restroom.

Honestly my biggest objection to gender neutral bathroom use is that some men seem genuinely confused about what target they should be aiming for.:crazy2: But then again some women also object to touching their bottom to the seat which is a whole different topic...
 

Kingdome8

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The thing is you said someone who looks manly. So you are deciding you personally get to decide what is woman enough to be in the bathroom. Every transgender person I know just wants to pee and get out of there because they have faced too much embarrassment and even physical violence simply over where they pee.

Also there isn't some magical barrier that keeps pedophiles out of bathrooms. Men and women can both be pedophiles and if a man is in a woman's bathroom that is empty enough that no other woman is around then equality laws or not aren't going to stop him from doing what he wants. That's what has always fascinated me about bathroom laws and issues. Do you think saying only those who pass or those who were born a certain gender can use this bathroom would really stop a rapist or pedophile?
Again. I said I think of extreme cases. I agree with next poster. Why do majority always have to change to accommodate a few
 
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    I don't know what gender you are, but as a woman, I've used the men's room. They don't always have urinals. A lot of the newer ones don't. So the 5yr old in your example is unlikely to see anything. Although I think she's pretty unlikely to see anything anyway even with urinals?

    Maybe I'm intruding on those delicate flowers that are manly men, but honestly, sometimes I just can't wait in the hour long line for the woman's restroom.

    Honestly my biggest objection to gender neutral bathroom use is that some men seem genuinely confused about what target they should be aiming for.:crazy2: But then again some women also object to touching their bottom to the seat which is a whole different topic...
    I think it's wrong u went into men's room. Sorry your line is long. Lol. As a man if I go in women's room I would be screamed at and called a weirdo. It is just a dumb issue
     

    wilkeliza

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    Again. I said I think of extreme cases. I agree with next poster. Why do majority always have to change to accommodate a few
    I still don't get your thought process though. How does any of it prevent the extreme that you are talking about? Again bathrooms don't have shields that prevent anyone from using them. So in one case you have to have a talk with your daughter and that's not the worst thing in the world. In all the other extreme cases you are coming up with nothing is going to stop it. No law, no societial norms, nothing. If that terrible thing is going to happen it is be it in the bathroom, while walking home after class, or to your car while shopping.
     

    Westcoastwild

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    I think it's wrong u went into men's room. Sorry your line is long. Lol. As a man if I go in women's room I would be screamed at and called a weirdo. It is just a dumb issue
    Well I will say it's a novelty to meet a man with that opinion. The people I've had this discussion with before are generally my extremely religious and prudish (female) relatives.:rotfl2:

    You can scream and call a woman a weirdo if she has the nerve to walk into your restroom. I mean, I personally think that's kinda weird for either gender to do, but hey, if it makes you feel better. Hopefully for your sake that is a actually a woman and not a less than manly man.

    What is your extreme case thing about? I do not really understand what you are arguing if you don't mind transgender folks using the bathroom?
     

    wilkeliza

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    My first post said I don't care if a transgender uses a bathroom. I said in my mind I think of extreme cases. Read again.
    I did read and one of your comments was about individuals who don't pass. So again isn't it just easier and more pleasant for everyone involved that if someone is just going to the bathroom the just let it be, even if they don't pass for the gender they claim? Now if someone, no matter gender, is trying to force someone else into a stall or force themselves into a stall then I imagine a lot of people will be stepping up to help out or at least I hope people would.
     
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    Well I will say it's a novelty to meet a man with that opinion. The people I've had this discussion with before are generally my extremely religious and prudish (female) relatives.:rotfl2:

    You can scream and call a woman a weirdo if she has the nerve to walk into your restroom. I mean, I personally think that's kinda weird for either gender to do, but hey, if it makes you feel better. Hopefully for your sake that is a actually a woman and not a less than manly man.
    I don't get what ur saying. What is a novel opinion? That I think it's wrong for a women to go in men's room or if I walked in women's room I would be called a perv or weirdo. please clarify
     

    Westcoastwild

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    I did read and one of your comments was about individuals who don't pass. So again isn't it just easier and more pleasant for everyone involved that if someone is just going to the bathroom the just let it be, even if they don't pass for the gender they claim? Now if someone, no matter gender, is trying to force someone else into a stall or force themselves into a stall then I imagine a lot of people will be stepping up to help out or at least I hope people would.

    I don't get what ur saying. What is a novel opinion? That I think it's wrong for a women to go in men's room or if I walked in women's room I would be called a perv or weirdo. please clarify
    That you've got a strong reaction to a woman using a men's restroom.

    I don't care if a man uses the woman's restroom. As long as no one stares at me, hits on me, harasses me or attacks me while I'm using the bathroom, I just don't care who is also using the bathroom. I agree with wilkeliza that the symbol on the door isn't going to do a darn thing to stop predators and that predators come in both genders and all shapes and sizes.

    Locker rooms- well, I'd care more there. But seriously, bathrooms are there for the express purpose of using the toilet, washing your hands, and maybe reapplying lipstick. What do you think I'm going to see that I shouldn't? What do you think you'd see in a woman's restroom? Except a tampon vending machine, I can't think of anything that I would consider exotic...
     

    Branflakes

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    The problem with the bathroom issue, is it's the few that will ruin it for the many. Like it is with pretty much any law or rule, that one didnt feel even needed addressing. And now, here we are. For ages now transgendered people have been using which ever restroom. The issue has become a fear, because of the one pervert who will use this "law" as a means to act upon their sick fantasies. And that is an issue for anyone. Mom dad gay straight trans etc. No one wants a pedophile being granted easier access to their gender of choice. The few nefarious cause the many to have fear.
    And I personally feel, anyone with whatever chosen gender, with any sense about them, doesn't want that.
     

    Westcoastwild

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    The problem with the bathroom issue, is it's the few that will ruin it for the many. Like it is with pretty much any law or rule, that one didnt feel even needed addressing. And now, here we are. For ages now transgendered people have been using which ever restroom. The issue has become a fear, because of the one pervert who will use this "law" as a means to act upon their sick fantasies. And that is an issue for anyone. Mom dad gay straight trans etc. No one wants a pedophile being granted easier access to their gender of choice. The few nefarious cause the many to have fear.
    And I personally feel, anyone with whatever chosen gender, with any sense about them, doesn't want that.
    Right...but can you name a single case in which a transgender person attacked or harmed anyone while using the restroom?

    There are no security guards in front of public restrooms. (Usually). So your sickos already have access. And if you harass or hurt anyone in any restroom, that's already against the law. And sickos can be of the same gender as the the bathroom designation, so...I guess I don't understand how such a law increases any danger to anyone.

    Not to mention that to prove someone is not the gender of the restroom, you'd have to ask for documentation or, to see, um, their plumbing. There's a lot of people that I could not for sure tell you that they are definitely female or male at first sight. But I just can't see asking a stranger to prove that they can legally use that bathroom. And I'd probably laugh and refuse if someone asked me to do the same. So a neighborhood watch thing doesn't really work here either...
     
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    Right...but can you name a single case in which a transgender person attacked or harmed anyone while using the restroom?

    There are no security guards in front of public restrooms. (Usually). So your sickos already have access. And if you harass or hurt anyone in any restroom, that's already against the law. And sickos can be of the same gender as the the bathroom designation, so...I guess I don't understand how such a law increases any danger to anyone.

    Not to mention that to prove someone is not the gender of the restroom, you'd have to ask for documentation or, to see, um, their plumbing. There's a lot of people that I could not for sure tell you that they are definitely female or male at first sight. But I just can't see asking a stranger to prove that they can legally use that bathroom. And I'd probably laugh and refuse if someone asked me to do the same. So a neighborhood watch thing doesn't really work here either...
    I don't believe transgendered persons are the issue. And you are correct, pedophiles have had access, but I think this issue becoming a constant media battle emboldens them.
     

    wilkeliza

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    I don't believe transgendered persons are the issue. And you are correct, pedophiles have had access, but I think this issue becoming a constant media battle emboldens them.
    This is the thought process I don't get. No amount of laws or rules or media is going to stop a pedophile from doing what they want to do. So are you in favor of checking everyone's birth certificate and ID or asking them to show their junk to a guard before they can pee? Someone who wants to do bad knows how to do it with out being told. If it was the media causing pedophiles to get ideas we would see a rise in cases and there have been 0. Heck crime is actually lowering every year.
     

    Westcoastwild

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    I don't believe transgendered persons are the issue. And you are correct, pedophiles have had access, but I think this issue becoming a constant media battle emboldens them.
    Like encourages them to use a public restroom as a hunting ground? Um, no. I find that ridiculous. For one thing, pedophilia, or even rape, is not about gender- it's about power. So, let's pretend for a moment that public restroom is a plausible place to attack a kid (it's not). A male predator could go into the men's restroom and attack a male child. A female predator can go into a women's restroom and attack a female child. It's not like they've got "predator" tattooed on their forehead, just like gender or sexuality or mental health is tattooed on anyone's forehead.

    And frankly that's ignoring the overwhelming evidence that pedophiles and other predators are the greatest danger to family members or acquaintances. Not to random kids or women on the street. This reminds me of that urban legend that pops up- you know, kid gets snatched at the theme park, and the predator dyes the kid's hair and changes the clothes but forgets to change the shoes...and at the last possible second, someone recognizes the shoes and the kid is rescued.

    It's an urban legend for a reason. Because it doesn't happen in reality.
     

    Kingdome8

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    That you've got a strong reaction to a woman using a men's restroom.

    I don't care if a man uses the woman's restroom. As long as no one stares at me, hits on me, harasses me or attacks me while I'm using the bathroom, I just don't care who is also using the bathroom. I agree with wilkeliza that the symbol on the door isn't going to do a darn thing to stop predators and that predators come in both genders and all shapes and sizes.

    Locker rooms- well, I'd care more there. But seriously, bathrooms are there for the express purpose of using the toilet, washing your hands, and maybe reapplying lipstick. What do you think I'm going to see that I shouldn't? What do you think you'd see in a woman's restroom? Except a tampon vending machine, I can't think of anything that I would consider exotic...
    What's wrong with a locker room. What am I going to see as a man there that I don't see at home. Girls in underwear?

    What if a boy in high school identifies him self as a female should they be allowed in girls locker room or on a girls sports team. Just curious.
     

    Kingdome8

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    This is the thought process I don't get. No amount of laws or rules or media is going to stop a pedophile from doing what they want to do. So are you in favor of checking everyone's birth certificate and ID or asking them to show their junk to a guard before they can pee? Someone who wants to do bad knows how to do it with out being told. If it was the media causing pedophiles to get ideas we would see a rise in cases and there have been 0. Heck crime is actually lowering every year.
    Do you feel the same way about guns? No amount of laws is going to stop criminals from being criminals correct?
     

    Westcoastwild

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    What's wrong with a locker room. What am I going to see as a man there that I don't see at home. Girls in underwear?

    What if a boy in high school identifies him self as a female should they be allowed in girls locker room or on a girls sports team. Just curious.
    Locker rooms involve nudity. Bathrooms don't. You are rarely showering or changing clothes in a public restroom. At least I don't see people do it often. I think both genders have a right to modesty.

    But to answer your question, if a boy identifies as a girl, I don't have a problem with him in the locker room or on a sports team. that kid has enough on her plate as as a transgender in high school. No guy is doing that for access to the women's facilities. If you don't think that kids of the same gender are capable of harassing their peers over appearance or sexuality, well, you went to a nicer high school than I did. Again. Actions are the problem. Not gender, not sexuality.

    I'm not sure why the sports team thing would be problematic. My sister is into body building. I know girls who played football and rugby. I know guys who were on dance team and played tennis. What does gender have got to do with athletic ability? :scratchin
     
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    Cloudy

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    The problem with the bathroom issue, is it's the few that will ruin it for the many. Like it is with pretty much any law or rule, that one didnt feel even needed addressing. And now, here we are. For ages now transgendered people have been using which ever restroom. The issue has become a fear, because of the one pervert who will use this "law" as a means to act upon their sick fantasies. And that is an issue for anyone. Mom dad gay straight trans etc. No one wants a pedophile being granted easier access to their gender of choice. The few nefarious cause the many to have fear.
    And I personally feel, anyone with whatever chosen gender, with any sense about them, doesn't want that.
    You honestly think that a pedophile is waiting for a "law" to allow him/her to go into the opposite sex bathroom to access a child of their preferred gender?
     

    wilkeliza

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    Do you feel the same way about guns? No amount of laws is going to stop criminals from being criminals correct?
    I can't go too far into it with out getting points but I believe in gun laws but not to the point of saying no one can own guns. So it would be similar to pedophilia is wrong just like murder is so you can be in whatever bathroom you want as long as you don't assualt or molest anyone just like you can own whatever with in reason gun you want as long as you aren't building a militia or using them to murder people or harass your neighbors.
     

    Westcoastwild

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    Do you feel the same way about guns? No amount of laws is going to stop criminals from being criminals correct?
    Well...I'm a lot more afraid of a gun than a guy's junk. One shoots bullets. The other...well, doesn't. Other than that, I'm not actually against responsible gun ownership. Again it's about actions.


    I can't go too far into it with out getting points but I believe in gun laws but not to the point of saying no one can own guns. So it would be similar to pedophilia is wrong just like murder is so you can be in whatever bathroom you want as long as you don't assualt or molest anyone just like you can own whatever with in reason gun you want as long as you aren't building a militia or using them to murder people or harass your neighbors.
    Well put!
     
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