Vaccine- Autism link proven to be a FRAUD!

[Ava]

The bolded part is true. My mom is allergic to codeine, my sister is allergic to sulfa drugs, I am allergic to penicillin, and my brother has no allergy. My kids are not currently allergic to any medicine and to say I was scared when I first gave the them a cillin medicine is not an exaggeration. I knew what my medical records and my mom told me my reaction to penicillin was and I was so scared. The kids had no problems at all.

While there is a chance, there isn't a guarantee either.

My partner (DD's birth mom) is allergic to penicillin, erythromycin, & sulfa drugs. Her reaction to penicillin is anaphylaxis. You can bet we will be so scared the first time we have to give her penicillin, and to be honest will probably try to get an alternative prescription so we don't have to take the chance.

 

[princessmom29]

I NEVER said that every parent makes the choice based upon a tragic event...what I said is that not every parent that has chosen the less than traditional path has done so without great amounts of thought and research.

Yes there probably are those that read one or two internet sites and said I'm not doing anything, but IME most parents that have chosen to either selectively vaccinate or not vaccinate at all did so after multiple hours of research (some 20-30 if not more) and countless hours of thought and discussion.

Not everyone agrees about everything. I could pull up study after study that will show pro or con about almost any vaccination topic...even the "experts" aren't in agreement on this.

If they can't agree...there is no way a bunch of WDW aficionados are going to agree about it!

...in regard to the herd immunity thing. Yes, in a perfect world vaccines would be 100% safe and effective, everyone would get them, and we would achieve herd immunity.

Unfortunately, the safety and efficacy of vaccines is what is under debate. There are some data that says vaccines are safe and efficacious, other data disagree (see above where I point out that there are studies that will show either side).

Some parents have decided that the safe and efficacious data are correct and others believe the data that says vaccines aren't safe and efficacious.

If you are a parent that believes they are safe, then you want herd immunity. You believe that the vaccine will protect your child and want every child around you to assist in that protection.

Unfortunately, those parents that don't believe that vaccines are safe and efficacious (again, pointing out that data are available supporting BOTH sides) are making their decision to protect their child. Yes, I understand that by them protecting their child it messes up the other parent's sphere of protection...but this is what they TRULY believe....and really, you aren't going to find a parent that is altruistic enough to place their child in harms way (again they TRULY believe it is dangerous), just to protect someone else's child.

It just isn't going to happen.

Here is an example. If I told you that by placing YOUR child on the train tracks every day for 30 minutes was going to save the lives of people in your neighborhood... would you do it?

What if I changed that to may or may not save people?

Would you do your research, find out why placing your child on the train tracks would protect everyone? Would you look up all the train schedules so you could find the 30min window when no trains were planning to be there?

Or would you maybe do the research, find it flawed, then look at the person like they were a four headed octopus from space and tell them they were nuts and no way were you letting your child on the train tracks?

Yes I understand that it is a clumsy analogy but it is essentially that these parents truly believe that the vaccines could be just as dangerous as standing on the train tracks. It doesn't matter what YOU believe to be true, or what the CDC or AAP is saying, that is what these parents believe, so they aren't going to change their minds and put their kids on the tracks.

So we are at an impasse.

Everyone is doing what they believe is the right thing.

So what, we are never supposed to discuss it, or do new studies, because no one is going to changethier mind anyway? We are not supposed to try to convince those who ar ebasing thier decisions on junk science that they are mistaken? Because i truly believe that the evidence for the "danger" behind vaccines is NOT solid science, and people are being led astray by those with an agenda at work. They are basing a decision on what they believe to be scientific fact, but is in fact junk. Am I not supposed to point that out??

My partner (DD's birth mom) is allergic to penicillin, erythromycin, & sulfa drugs. Her reaction to penicillin is anaphylaxis. You can bet we will be so scared the first time we have to give her penicillin, and to be honest will probably try to get an alternative prescription so we don't have to take the chance.

This is exactly what we have done with DD's shellfish allergy, and turns out we were right, she is allergic, just like her dad. If your partner were allergic to some componenet of a vaccine, then I would say sure, don't take the chance, I have no porblem with that, but I cannot see the reasoning in saying that since some stranger's child is allergic to smoething I should not expose my child to it for fear they might react. That is actually what the vast majority of advers reactions due to vaccine that have been documented turn out to be, a previously undiagnosed allergy to a vaccine component. The problem is that so many supposed adverse reactions to vaccines are never actually tied to the vaccine. They are just a parent saying "my child acted funny, developed autism ect becuase of a vaccine" there is not proof that the vaccine had anything to do with it. More and more ofthese are surfacing due in large part to the study recently proven fradulent that claimed vaccines caused autism.

 

[palavra]

I work extensively with immigrants to the US. Many of them did not have vaccines available. They have witnessed a lot of terrible diseases that we have not. They have lost children to preventible disease. They ALWAYS vax when they get here, and are happy to do it (unless their is a valid medical reason). They know the vax has risks. They KNOW the disease is a greater risk and they KNOW it is nothing to play with. We haven't seen the horrors of those diseases, so we incorrectly evaluate the risk.

As privileged Americans we sit with our great health care, our clean running water, electricity, and computers, and all some of us can complain about is how the evil companies and doctors are trying to poison our children with their evil Western medicine. Meantime thousands and thousands of children die from preventible disease in other parts of the world. I do not care to see children in the US start to die more often from preventible disease. Unless you have a valid medical reason not to (such as a prior reaction), please vax your children.

What a great post!

 

[mhconley]

Autism is rampant in my DW's mother's family. There are aunts with multiple autistic children and cousins with multiple autistic children, both high and low functioning. When our DS was born we chose not to allow him to have any vaccine with thiomersal. We vaccinate against every disease for which we can obtain a thiomersal-free vaccine; if none are available, he goes without that vaccine. Most childhood vaccinations are available without thiomersal, you just have to ask. Thiomersal contains mercury. Mercury is a poison. We saw no compelling reason to risk knowingly injecting our DS with poison.

Our DS son has many behavioral issues and has been tagged with many diagnoses, ADHD, anxiety disorder, OCD, etc.; he struggles every day. But autism is not one of them. He is very much normal in every way; he is highly intelligent and lives a normal life with a little extra accomodation in school.

Shortly after her mandated hepatitis vaccinations my DW became ill. (She was studying to become an RN.) She now suffers from fibromyalgia and mixed connective tissue disease that has incapacitated her to the point where she can no longer work in her chosen profession. (She was an OR nurse on her feet for entire shifts.) She puts the blame for her disease squarely upon the hepatitis vaccinations she received.

We firmly believe there are genetic predispositions for many of these immune system diseases that are still not understood. We believe vaccines / thiomersal triggers the latent predispositions into the full blown diseases. We firmly believe that our vaccine choices saved our DS from a life struggling with autism. We firmly believe that one day medical science will validate these statements. It’s simply going to take time and the right research to prove the links…

Martin

 

[Hannathy]

It's not the poison it's the dose.


When oh when are people going to understand this. We ingest poison everyday.

 

[princesspeach]

So what, we are never supposed to discuss it, or do new studies, because no one is going to changethier mind anyway? We are not supposed to try to convince those who ar ebasing thier decisions on junk science that they are mistaken? Because i truly believe that the evidence for the "danger" behind vaccines is NOT solid science, and people are being led astray by those with an agenda at work. They are basing a decision on what they believe to be scientific fact, but is in fact junk. Am I not supposed to point that out??

This is exactly what we have done with DD's shellfish allergy, and turns out we were right, she is allergic, just like her dad. If your partner were allergic to some componenet of a vaccine, then I would say sure, don't take the chance, I have no porblem with that, but I cannot see the reasoning in saying that since some stranger's child is allergic to smoething I should not expose my child to it for fear they might react. That is actually what the vast majority of advers reactions due to vaccine that have been documented turn out to be, a previously undiagnosed allergy to a vaccine component. The problem is that so many supposed adverse reactions to vaccines are never actually tied to the vaccine. They are just a parent saying "my child acted funny, developed autism ect becuase of a vaccine" there is not proof that the vaccine had anything to do with it. More and more ofthese are surfacing due in large part to the study recently proven fradulent that claimed vaccines caused autism.

Who are you to determine what is junk and what is not. There are very highly educated nuerologist and physicians that are for and against vaccines. Its up to the parent to make there own descision. I for one don't believe in couincedenes. If there are millions of parent that say thier kids had a bad reaction to a vaccine Then I believe their has to be some connection. I aways believe the reward has to be greater than the risk when taking any medication. All medications have adverse reactions. This is such a silly discussion to have on these boards. People think they are experts when they are not. They just have an opinion.

 

[Hannathy]

Who are you to determine what is junk and what is not. There are very highly educated nuerologist and physicians that are for and against vaccines. Its up to the parent to make there own descision. I for one don't believe in couincedenes. If there are millions of parent that say thier kids had a bad reaction to a vaccine Then I believe their has to be some connection. I aways believe the reward has to be greater than the risk when taking any medication. All medications have adverse reactions. This is such a silly discussion to have on these boards. People think they are experts when they are not. They just have an opinion.

No actually scientific fact is just that fact it isn't an opinion and there are actually experts on this board.

 

[figment3258]

All I have to says that it is up to every parent to decide for themselves. Wither it's for religion or studies or family history whatever the choice is it is right for them.

 

[mhconley]

No actually scientific fact is just that fact it isn't an opinion and there are actually experts on this board.

So what is a "scientific fact"?

In the 13th century it was "scientific fact" that the world was flat and the universe revolved around us.

In the 18th century it was "scientific fact" that having excess blood was the cause of many diseases and leeches were the cure.

In 2005 it was a "scientific fact" that Pluto was a planet.

Science is based on theories and evidence. There are very, very few hard facts. Anyone who believes we know everything about everything is deluding themselves.

And yes, there are many "experts" on this and many other Internet boards, both real and imagined.

I agree with figment3258 - it is up to each educated person to decide for themselves. Happily we live in a society that allows that freedom.

Martin

 

[jodifla]

So what is a "scientific fact"?

In the 13th century it was "scientific fact" that the world was flat and the universe revolved around us.

In the 18th century it was "scientific fact" that having excess blood was the cause of many diseases and leeches were the cure.

In 2005 it was a "scientific fact" that Pluto was a planet.

Science is based on theories and evidence. There are very, very few hard facts. Anyone who believes we know everything about everything is deluding themselves.

And yes, there are many "experts" on this and many other Internet boards, both real and imagined.

I agree with figment3258 - it is up to each educated person to decide for themselves. Happily we live in a society that allows that freedom.

Martin

Our society allows that freedom to a point. You have to vaccinate your child to enroll in preschools or schools, unless you claim a medical or religious exemption.

Those exemptions are loosely enforced now -- they take your word for it most of the time, it seems. But once an outbreak happens, your unvaccinated children have to stay home from school. And if things ever hit epidemic proportions, you'll see those exemptions either fly out the window or being enforced alot more stringently, including with legal consequences.

 

[princesspeach]

No actually scientific fact is just that fact it isn't an opinion and there are actually experts on this board.

Who are the experts? What are their credentials and what studies have done? Have they written any papers on vaccines? If they have I would be interested in reading them. What is your definition of an expert?

 

[princesspeach]

Our society allows that freedom to a point. You have to vaccinate your child to enroll in preschools or schools, unless you claim a medical or religious exemption.

Those exemptions are loosely enforced now -- they take your word for it most of the time, it seems. But once an outbreak happens, your unvaccinated children have to stay home from school. And if things ever hit epidemic proportions, you'll see those exemptions either fly out the window or being enforced alot more stringently, including with legal consequences.

You do not have to vaccinate your child to enroll them in school.

 

[WeLoveLilo05]

Canada does not require children to receive half as many vaccines as the US does in order for those kids to enter school, its amazing that those kids are OK.
As a matter of fact I think some (not all) providences in Canada may not even require vaccines to enter school. I think a Canadian mother stated that on one of the mommy message boards I was on.

 

[SweetMissy]

This news came out awhile ago, don't know why it's surfacing again. Anyway....doesn't change my opinions about vaccines not being 100% safe. With all the toxins and cancer causing agents used in vaccines, autism isn't my main concern anyway. Bottom line....parents need to research and decide what's best for their family and not only listen to their doctor.

 

[jodifla]

You do not have to vaccinate your child to enroll them in school.

You do in our district, or you have to get an exemption. You do in most preschools, and they don't even have to take your exemptions.

 

[DisneyDorkORama]

Interesting that you believe this, but you do not seem to believe those who proved that the original study that linked vaccines to autism was fraudulent. So it's only fraud if the finger is pointed at those you do not believe?

I am sorry, when did I say I didn't believe that the study that linked vaccines to autism was fraudulent?

 

[SweetMissy]

You do in our district, or you have to get an exemption. You do in most preschools, and they don't even have to take your exemptions.

I don't know if something similar has already been posted since I haven't and won't be reading this thread, lol....way too long! But I'll post this for anyone interested to know regarding their state.

http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements.aspx

 

[princesspeach]

You do in our district, or you have to get an exemption. You do in most preschools, and they don't even have to take your exemptions.

So get and exemption. If you really want to fight it. Legally they can not make you vaccinate your child. The way this country is turning into a police state I am sure it is not far off. There are always other options like homeschooling or private schools.

 

[princessmom29]

Who are you to determine what is junk and what is not. There are very highly educated nuerologist and physicians that are for and against vaccines. Its up to the parent to make there own descision. I for one don't believe in couincedenes. If there are millions of parent that say thier kids had a bad reaction to a vaccine Then I believe their has to be some connection. I aways believe the reward has to be greater than the risk when taking any medication. All medications have adverse reactions. This is such a silly discussion to have on these boards. People think they are experts when they are not. They just have an opinion.

Well, for one I have a biochemistry degree and a background in vaccine research. I have worked on several vaccine and immunology projects. Most of the studies I have seen on the supposed dangers of vaccines cannot really prove what they are claming. Their evidence is mostly anecdotal accounts and not supported with medical data. There is very little real science to support a claim that vaccines are harmful to anyone who doesn't have an allergy to the componenets or an autoimmune condition. Anecdotal accounts are just that, anecdotal.
ost of thes studies are dressing up ancedotal evidence as scientific data, and calling that proof. It is not. In amany cases they are taking parental reporting of symptoms at face value, when theachild was never even examined by a doctor while presenting with these symptoms, and the window of time between recieving the vaccine and onset of symptoms is questionable.

 

[princesspeach]

Well, for one I have a biochemistry degree and a background in vaccine research. I have worked on several vaccine and immunology projects. Most of the studies I have seen on the supposed dangers of vaccines cannot really prove what they are claming. Their evidence is mostly anecdotal accounts and not supported with medical data. There is very little real science to support a claim that vaccines are harmful to anyone who doesn't have an allergy to the componenets or an autoimmune condition. Anecdotal accounts are just that, anecdotal.
ost of thes studies are dressing up ancedotal evidence as scientific data, and calling that proof. It is not. In amany cases they are taking parental reporting of symptoms at face value, when theachild was never even examined by a doctor while presenting with these symptoms, and the window of time between recieving the vaccine and onset of symptoms is questionable.

No offfense but there are people out there that have dedicated there lives to studying vaccines and would disagree with you. I would not discount a parents reporting of symptoms or gut feelings. Nobody knows their child better than a parent. Its arrogant to think otherwise. I don't care how many degrees you have. Tell a parent whose child stopped talking that the day after they recieved the mmr that the vaccine did not have something to do with it. I am not saying that vaccinnes cause adverse reactions in all people. Any medication on the market will have adverse reactions in a certain percentage of people. Some of those will be severe some mild. I am not saying don't vaccinate, but the risks of getting the disease better be greater than the risk of taking the vaccine. The amount of vaccines we give our kids now is insane. Getting a flu shot every year is plain ridiculous. To say there is no risk in vaccines is intellectually dishonest.