Wonder how they'll spin this one.

[Wishing on a star]

I refuse to judge the police. I can't even image what they must go through. I feel for the victim and her loved ones. I don't believe police are more then humans and humans make mistakes just like everyone else.

But, just sometimes, yes, our law enforcement should be judged.
I think it would seem that, possibly, in this case, breaking from important policy and protocol, negligence, and (even if just momentarily) lack of regard/respect for human life, are at issue.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Ohhhh, and off topic...
But to the one poster above who made a specific and very unwarranted and very untrue reference to a personal comment made several pages back.
Wow... Just wow....
If I weren't so confident in my views and had thinner skin... I would be hitting the ignore button.

But, of course, that is not something I do.

 

[pryncess527]

Saw this on FB, and thought it was fitting. Yes, being a police officer is a very difficult job and we should do more to support them. But that does not mean they are, or should be, above judgement.

Posted by a veteran friend of mine:

Look. I don't care what your job is or what kind of uniform you wear. You can't just shoot somebody every time you feel threatened. I spent a year on the streets of Baghdad, where virtually everyone wanted to kill me. If I had shot someone every time I felt I was in danger, I would have shot hundreds of civilians. They put soldiers underneath the jail and throw away the key for things I see civilian authorities doing to our own citizens every day.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Interesting perspective. Unbelievably historically inaccurate, but interesting.

First, "mistake made, mistake rectified" is a shockingly dismissive way to refer to the enslavement of a race and the genocide of their culture.

Second, while slavery was ended, the issues it caused were not "rectified" and many still echo today (look at recent court cases striking down congressional districts as racially biased because they were drawn to dilute the voting power of blacks).

Third, it was not the "same people." That is why there was a civil war. The people owning slaves wanted to keep them so a different group of people defeated them in war to end slavery. Yes, there were still some slaves in the Northern states that were freed independently, but the vast majority of slaves, in the South, were freed through military conquest. To say otherwise is like saying "the Germans freed the Jews after they were finished with WWII." It completely misrepresents what happened.

We're already off topic here but in truth the Civil War in the U.S. is a complicated episode in our history.

The larger component was slavery but it was also about state's rights vs government control and the feeling of constitutional rights being violated (which still affects nowadays). The right to sucede was challenged by the idea that all must stay in unity. Not to mention it was about political parties and the struggle to maintain representation (we all know how that affects day to day lives). Not to mention it was also about economies and truth is there were vast differences there between the two sides. There are other factors as well.

In a nutshell as a general comment the Civil War is not something that can be dumbed down so to speak in a way as to represent it as North=slavery bad, South=slavery good.

*As a whole though this is pretty far off topic from the actual thread*

 

[DizBelle]

I also think that the tone is different because there doesn't seem to be any wiggle room for the officer's reasoning to shoot her.

There has yet to be any discussion of:
"If she hadn't done that then he wouldn't have shot..." etc.

Yet.

That's because there is practically zero information about what happened.

Here's what we know (as far as I can tell)

1. The woman was shot
2. The police officer shot her
3. There was some noise just prior to the shooting

That's it. That's all we know.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

That's because there is practically zero information about what happened.

Here's what we know (as far as I can tell)

1. The woman was shot
2. The police officer shot her
3. There was some noise just prior to the shooting

That's it. That's all we know.

I know that. I said from the beginning that we don't really know anything.

 

[DizBelle]

I'm pro police because majority of our police force are good guys and they are the ones that maintain order in our society. However, I do agree that this was definitely a case where there is no reason to shot and kill this poor woman and the cop should have some type of legal responsibility for her death. I do think it is wrong to say the moral of this story is not to call 911 because majority of 911 calls actually helps the caller and not hurt them.

"no reason" - based on what? Can you provide links to information that was released that led you to this conclusion? See my PP. As far as I can tell, what we know is next to nil.

 

[CookieandOatmeal]

"no reason" - based on what? Can you provide links to information that was released that led you to this conclusion? See my PP. As far as I can tell, what we know is next to nil.

So what would be probable reasons that it would be ok to shoot and kill a person when you are the police officer sitting in the passenger side? He shot across the car, past his partner at this lady.

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news...-in-killing-of-australian-woman-1002890307582

Edited to add a link to the news clip I saw yesterday. This is what I based my opinion on.

 

[Hikergirl]

"no reason" - based on what? Can you provide links to information that was released that led you to this conclusion? See my PP. As far as I can tell, what we know is next to nil.

We know that she was talking to the PO that was in the driver's seat. He said they heard a loud noise, but I haven't read where he said he felt threatened in any way, or that she had a weapon or that she was being told to back up or move away or put your hands up. Seems strange to not mention that if that was the case. The officer who killed her has refused to make any statement about what happened.
There has been no mention of a weapon found near the victim's body, only a cell phone.
Its been reported that she called them because she heard a woman scream and thought there might be a sexual assault happening.

 

[DizBelle]

So what would be probable reasons that it would be ok to shoot and kill a person when you are the police officer sitting in the passenger side? He shot across the car, past his partner at this lady.

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news...-in-killing-of-australian-woman-1002890307582

Edited to add a link to the news clip I saw yesterday. This is what I based my opinion on.

I can think of countless scenarios where the shooting is justified. And I can think of countless scenarios where the shooting is not justified.

There just isn't enough information available to us to come to any conclusions.

All we KNOW is that she was shot. The police officer shot her. And there was some noise just prior to the shooting. Hardly enough information to come to any conclusions at all.

 

[mummabear]

I always love when citizens of other countries want to tell us what rights we can and cannot have.

I always love it when citizens of one country think that they must know best even though it seems so many other countries don't have the issue because they have managed the issue.

Well, given that a citizen of that same country was just killed by a police officer in our country. And given that the country, Australia, had a mass shooting and responded to it by severly limiting gun access to its citizens and the drop in gun related crime was clear and sustained---I think it is a bit reasonable to have an opinion.

If we refuse to even look at how other places do things, how can we possible learn and grow and properly evaluate how we do them?

Exactly.

 

[NHdisneylover]

You know, I was thinking, it was pretty recently that an American died due to treatment he recieved at the hands of law enforcement in another country. There was along thread here about it, lots of criticism of that other country and their policies and judicial system. I didn't see Buckeye218 or othes who have an issue with non Americans having an opionion on this htread standing up and saying only North Koreans have a right to discuss what happened to the US citizen in their country. Funny how that seems to be a one way thing . . .

 

[rickybobby]

Interesting perspective. Unbelievably historically inaccurate, but interesting.

First, "mistake made, mistake rectified" is a shockingly dismissive way to refer to the enslavement of a race and the genocide of their culture.

Second, while slavery was ended, the issues it caused were not "rectified" and many still echo today (look at recent court cases striking down congressional districts as racially biased because they were drawn to dilute the voting power of blacks).

Third, it was not the "same people." That is why there was a civil war. The people owning slaves wanted to keep them so a different group of people defeated them in war to end slavery. Yes, there were still some slaves in the Northern states that were freed independently, but the vast majority of slaves, in the South, were freed through military conquest. To say otherwise is like saying "the Germans freed the Jews after they were finished with WWII." It completely misrepresents what happened.

The Union Army was predominantly white, was it not?

 

[CarolAnn856]

The Union Army was predominantly white, was it not?

Just keep digging that hole you're in.

 

[Buckeye218]

You know, I was thinking, it was pretty recently that an American died due to treatment he recieved at the hands of law enforcement in another country. There was along thread here about it, lots of criticism of that other country and their policies and judicial system. I didn't see Buckeye218 or othes who have an issue with non Americans having an opionion on this htread standing up and saying only North Koreans have a right to discuss what happened to the US citizen in their country. Funny how that seems to be a one way thing . . .

I reject your flawed premise that I have to post on every single thread on the Community Board in order to voice my opinion or to post when and where I choose.

Further, there is a disconnect in the logic in what you posted...I see no parallel in your post to what I posted about. But by all means, keep trying.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I always love it when citizens of one country think that they must know best even though it seems so many other countries don't have the issue because they have managed the issue.



Exactly.

And I "love" it when people tout a "one size fits all" solution as if they've actually found the answer.

 

[mummabear]

And I "love" it when people tout a "one size fits all" solution as if they've actually found the answer.

You can act like your country is so unique, but in reality as a country you need to take a long hard look at yourself and ask why do we have this problem and why doesn't say Canada? Australia? Other countries that otherwise are culturally similar.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

You can act like your country is so unique, but in reality as a country you need to take a long hard look at yourself and ask why do we have this problem and why doesn't say Canada? Australia? Other countries that otherwise are culturally similar.

Why do we have a drunk driving problem when the U.K. doesn't?

Why do heavily armed countries like Finland, Switzerland, and Israel not have our gun issues?

Why has our homicide rate been cut in half during the same timeframe in which firearms sales have exploded?

Why has the homicide rate ALWAYS been higher in NYC than London - even back in the days when NYC had MORE firearms restrictions than London?

In short, we're not nearly as culturally similar as you suggest.

 

[CarolAnn856]

Why do we have a drunk driving problem when the U.K. doesn't?
Why do heavily armed countries like Finland, Switzerland, and Israel not have our gun issues?
Why has our homicide rate been cut in half during the same timeframe in which firearms sales have exploded?
Why has the homicide rate ALWAYS been higher in NYC than London - even back in the days when NYC had MORE firearms restrictions than London?
In short, we're not nearly as culturally similar as you suggest.

I'm not going to take time to fact check you. But, going on the assumption that your data is correct, why wouldn't we look to other countries to see what they are doing in total and see if we could apply any of it here at home? Just because populations are different culturally doesn't mean we can't learn from one another.

 

[rigs32]

I haven't read the thread, but body cameras don't run for the entirety of an officer's shift. They get turned on for certain types of interactions. So if something happens suddenly, there isn't always the time or thought to turn then on. It's not simply that something was purposely not recorded.