Evening Magic Hours for Deluxe Guests Only

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Someone else said an hour, so I was going by that. I haven't had time yet to read everything on it, but it would be nice if it were 2-3 hours.


They seem to be around $1,000/night every time I check. You can usually get a mod for $250 a night with a discount (at least pre-pandemic. Only stayed once so far since then and that was at POP).
Yes, I am hoping for 2-3 hours too! Fingers crossed.

I just looked for some random dates next year and Saratoga Springs / AK Kidani Village are around $650 for a 2 bedroom. I don't know what Moderates are running at right now, but everything is priced higher than what it was pre-pandemic and discounts are harder and harder to find. You might be able to easily make up the difference in room rates, by having a kitchen for that many people!
 
Yes, I am hoping for 2-3 hours too! Fingers crossed.

I just looked for some random dates next year and Saratoga Springs / AK Kidani Village are around $650 for a 2 bedroom. I don't know what Moderates are running at right now, but everything is priced higher than what it was pre-pandemic and discounts are harder and harder to find. You might be able to easily make up the difference in room rates, by having a kitchen for that many people!

Was that on the Disney website or DVC rental? I checked the DVC availability tool for 9/22-9/30 and it was about the same as that (264 PTS for SSR 2-bed, which is about $700 a night at $21/pt). We have stayed there before and the kids liked being able to walk to Disney Springs. Usually I check confirmed reservations and those always seem to be closer to $1,000 a night since they are for BLT, Poly, etc.
 
Was that on the Disney website or DVC rental? I checked the DVC availability tool for 9/22-9/30 and it was about the same as that (264 PTS for SSR 2-bed, which is about $700 a night at $21/pt). We have stayed there before and the kids liked being able to walk to Disney Springs. Usually I check confirmed reservations and those always seem to be closer to $1,000 a night since they are for BLT, Poly, etc.
The DVC availability tool is what i used.

yes, confirmed reservations are at those resorts right now won't be discounted too much, due to high occupancy rates from the Fall into 2022.
 
Maybe I missed it, but I don't think they said how much extra time they would add in the evenings.
The announcement used the word “hours” - I assume we can trust that is grammatically accurate but perhaps not. If true, then more than 1. It would be a lot to hope for 3 hours but maybe??

Unrelated to my comment above but related to sentiment in this post…

Prior to COVID, Disney was already chipping away at included perks like EMH. COVID just accelerated their process. I see nothing wrong with people who pay more for rooms getting different included benefits. Disney may have provided X in the past but they are not required to provide X in the future. Does anyone expect ticket prices to be identical to 20 years ago? No. Market, demand, cost all change with time.

Deluxe and DVC pay more - there is nothing wrong with Disney dangling carrots to entice guests. People can choose to stay on property or off, they can choose deluxe or not. All Disney is required is to give you the hotel room you paid for. Disney does not owe anyone extra park time. But they can choose to offer extra park time.

Similarly a park ticket is just a park ticket. They don’t have to offer FP. They don’t have to offer free fast passes. They can choose to monetize it if they want to.

Disney doesn’t owe any of us anything beyond what we pay for. A hotel room, admission through the gate, and if you own DVC the ability to use your points at your home resort +/- other resorts depending on the rules.
 
So many thoughts on this...

For me, my first trip was almost 50 years ago and we stayed at the Contemporary for two nights. I was almost 11 and it was an out of this world exciting experience. The cool light switches, the monorail, the scale of the hotel was almost overwhelming. It was fabulous.

But we were within driving distance do only did day trips for the years after that. I was able to camp at Fort Wilderness a few times with scouts and friends. In college, I returned to multiple day trips, but staying on I Drive Days Inn type of hotels.

It was almost 20 years later before I was able to stay at the Polynesian, splitting the room with another couple.

I ALWAYS recognized that the Deluxe hotels were another level of experience from our day trips or I Drive or camping.

This is really no different. Deluxe has always been about "more" -- which is why we bought DVC more than 25 years ago.

People are free to vote with their feet, but people also bitterly complained in the months before that pandemic struck about the crowds.

I shudder to think what the next AP price, will be.... if there even is one.

Even without the extra hours, staying anywhere on Disney property has been great. Fort Wilderness still beats the Days Inn.more
 
Interestingly enough, they did use to charge for what is known now as extra magic hours- many years ago for resort guests only. I'm searching my brain for what they called them and what the price was, but this isn't the first time they charged for extra time in the park.

E-Ride Night at the Magic Kingdom. It cost about $10 (I think) and only the headline attractions remained open. I remember riding Splash Mountain four times in a row without having to exit the log. It was so much fun! I’m thinking this was over 20 years ago now.
 
The announcement used the word “hours” - I assume we can trust that is grammatically accurate but perhaps not. If true, then more than 1. It would be a lot to hope for 3 hours but maybe??

Unrelated to my comment above but related to sentiment in this post…

Prior to COVID, Disney was already chipping away at included perks like EMH. COVID just accelerated their process. I see nothing wrong with people who pay more for rooms getting different included benefits. Disney may have provided X in the past but they are not required to provide X in the future. Does anyone expect ticket prices to be identical to 20 years ago? No. Market, demand, cost all change with time.

Deluxe and DVC pay more - there is nothing wrong with Disney dangling carrots to entice guests. People can choose to stay on property or off, they can choose deluxe or not. All Disney is required is to give you the hotel room you paid for. Disney does not owe anyone extra park time. But they can choose to offer extra park time.

Similarly a park ticket is just a park ticket. They don’t have to offer FP. They don’t have to offer free fast passes. They can choose to monetize it if they want to.

Disney doesn’t owe any of us anything beyond what we pay for. A hotel room, admission through the gate, and if you own DVC the ability to use your points at your home resort +/- other resorts depending on the rules.
A very logical and intelligent post!
 
E-Ride Night at the Magic Kingdom. It cost about $10 (I think) and only the headline attractions remained open. I remember riding Splash Mountain four times in a row without having to exit the log. It was so much fun! I’m thinking this was over 20 years ago now.

Thank you! I've been driving myself nuts trying to remember the name. I do think you're right about the cost and wasn't it for 3 hours? Our trip was in 1987, so it was around for quite a while. I remember clearly though, debating on whether I wanted to really spend $40 for it, it seemed super expensive at the time. But they were amazing, parks really were almost empty and we ended up buying them multiple times. Without any type of ride system, lines were bad and it was a relief to be able to put off the headliners until the evening.

At any rate, they've charged before, most people just don't realize it.
 
Interestingly enough, they did use to charge for what is known now as extra magic hours- many years ago for resort guests only. I'm searching my brain for what they called them and what the price was, but this isn't the first time they charged for extra time in the park.
I recall paying $14 for 3 hours at the Magic Kingdom.
 
Thank you! I've been driving myself nuts trying to remember the name. I do think you're right about the cost and wasn't it for 3 hours? Our trip was in 1987, so it was around for quite a while. I remember clearly though, debating on whether I wanted to really spend $40 for it, it seemed super expensive at the time. But they were amazing, parks really were almost empty and we ended up buying them multiple times. Without any type of ride system, lines were bad and it was a relief to be able to put off the headliners until the evening.

At any rate, they've charged before, most people just don't realize it.

Yup, it was $10 for 3 hours. This is from 2000:

 
While it is true that Disney can and will do whatever they want as far as perks go , and what extras they charge for we also have a right as the heart and soul of their fan base to express our disappointment , frustration , and sometimes anger over these $ based decisions . I know that they have been heading in this direction of monetizing almost anything they can . I know that they have stock holders to answer to ( I'm one of them ) but these decisions over the long term will whittle away at their fan base and significantly damage their reputation and bottom line over the long haul and that will take years to repair . Just my humble opinion . And I will continue to let Disney know how I feel about these decisions . I wont just wave the white flag and say oh well...nothing I can do about that
 
Thank you! I've been driving myself nuts trying to remember the name. I do think you're right about the cost and wasn't it for 3 hours? Our trip was in 1987, so it was around for quite a while. I remember clearly though, debating on whether I wanted to really spend $40 for it, it seemed super expensive at the time. But they were amazing, parks really were almost empty and we ended up buying them multiple times. Without any type of ride system, lines were bad and it was a relief to be able to put off the headliners until the evening.

At any rate, they've charged before, most people just don't realize it.
We did the E-Night in 1998. I think it was around $15/person then, and we really went back and forth over that extra $60. My daughter and I got stuck on Splash Mountain for almost an hour. With no cell phones at the time, my husband and other son were stuck waiting for us in the area. They kept telling them we’d be off soon, but they couldn’t evacuate our log (which we had to ourselves) because it was positioned partway up a ramp. They needed to evacuate everyone else first and then tow us backwards. Even with missing about a third of the night, we had a great time and got a lot done. I’m not sure what price I’d be comfortable with now, though.
 
Me as a DVC owner at these events...

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What does this mean for DVC owners? Is it the same thing? We only get EMH if we stay at the Grand Flo, Contemporary, or Bay Lake?
 
We did the E-Night in 1998. I think it was around $15/person then, and we really went back and forth over that extra $60. My daughter and I got stuck on Splash Mountain for almost an hour. With no cell phones at the time, my husband and other son were stuck waiting for us in the area. They kept telling them we’d be off soon, but they couldn’t evacuate our log (which we had to ourselves) because it was positioned partway up a ramp. They needed to evacuate everyone else first and then tow us backwards. Even with missing about a third of the night, we had a great time and got a lot done. I’m not sure what price I’d be comfortable with now, though.

My girls were 7 when we went and it was our first trip to WDW. They remember very little of it all these years later, but when I called my daughter and asked her about the extra hours we got in the evening, she remembered it all- it was that good. She even has the old flyer- I had no idea. lol I know I was more than happy to pay for the After Hours we had pre-covid and those were very much like the e-nights. I'd sure pay that again!
 
What does this mean for DVC owners? Is it the same thing? We only get EMH if we stay at the Grand Flo, Contemporary, or Bay Lake?
I asked that question in a chat. The cast member replied That the " deluxe villas" are DVC so yes, all DVC resorts are deluxe and included in the EMH.
 
We are booking Badlands NP, Custer State Park, Mt Rushmore, Grand Teton, and Yellowstone for 2022 today.

ive priced it out, this trip is actually cheaper for my family of 4 to fly and rent a car for a week than it was for our 2021 week long trip at pop, we drive to wdw, so no flights or rental car needed.

not too long ago there wasn’t a comparison, Disney was the hand down choice, the value was too good. Not now.
 
Disney was the hand down choice, the value was too good.

I never considered WDW a good "value" in terms of cost. I've always thought it was super expensive and any of the other vacations we took were less money, outside of cruising. The problem was, we loved WDW more than any other vacation we've ever done- and we've done a lot. We still feel that way today. We took a vacation to a Florida beach in May. We loved the beach, had a great time, cost a fraction of Disney, but not turning towards WDW when we left was hard to do. We're going on a trip this week to a camping spot that looks to be really fun ( pools, slides, lake water park) and we're spending very little. But in the end, it's not summer for us if there's not a trip to WDW.

We love what they sell and have hope they'll come out of all this in a way we can still enjoy going. We'll see. I do feel for those who felt the same as we do, but the changes aren't what they can accept.
 
I never considered WDW a good "value" in terms of cost. I've always thought it was super expensive and any of the other vacations we took were less money, outside of cruising.
I'll repost something I wrote earlier to show that there once was a time when a WDW offered a good value.

Walt Disney envisioned Disneyland as a place for everyone to enjoy. Walt frequently spoke about providing his customers with "value", and DL was intended to be affordable (even if it was not cheap).

Still, Walt needed sponsors for the pavilions he was creating for the 1964 World's Fair, so he added a sponsor's lounge. The first hint of exclusiveness traces its origins to this 1964 World's Fair lounge.

Seeing the success of the World's Fair lounge, Walt wanted corporate sponsors for Disneyland to build more attractions. (Many of Walt's designs were expensive and reportedly Walt loved the idea of getting other corporations to pay for them.) Although Club 33 did not open until May 1967 (5 months after Walt's death), Walt envisioned Club 33 as a way to attract corporate sponsors to Disneyland.

Club 33 aside, Disneyland and Walt Disney World remained firmly targeted for America's working and middle class for decades. For example, when WDW opened in 1971, theme park admission was $3.50 ($24 in today's dollars), while an "Adventure Book" ranged from $4.50 to $5.75 ($30 to $40). (Admission and attractions were combined into a single ticket in 1982.) Together, admission and attractions cost today's equivalent of about $64. I doubt few would consider a $64 ticket to be cheap, but a ticket in 1971 (relative to household income) was a lot less than what it is today.

Hotel prices were similar. A room at the Contemporary or the Polynesian (WDW's first two hotels) started at $29 per night, about $193 today. Again, WDW never was cheap, but it used to be more affordable.

IMO, WDW's value peaked in 1982-1984. The MK was complete, Epcot was new, and a 4-day hopper ticket (they were not called hoppers back then) cost $45 (tax included). That's about $120 in today's dollars for a 4-day hopper ticket. That's less than a one-day no-hopper ticket today. Before the days of computers, hotel rates were simple, with typically one rate year-round. In 1982, you could get a Garden View room at the Polynesian or a Garden Wing room at the Contemporary for $75 per night, about $209 per night in today's dollars.

Just imagine paying $120 for a 4-day ticket and $209 per night to stay at the Polynesian!

Beginning in 1984, things changed. Walt Disney Productions was the target of a hostile takeover and paid a great deal to buy back its own stock. The Board Of Directors recognized that the company was vulnerable and that a change in leadership was needed. For the first time, they brought in an outsider as CEO: Michael Eisner.

It was Michael Eisner who first started pushing prices and stratifying Guests when he took over in 1984. (Keep in mind that Club 33 originally was intended for corporate sponsors, not Guests.) 1984 to 1988 saw record (for Disney) price increases. These increases not only affected ticket prices, but hotel prices as well. Hotels such as the Contemporary, Poly, and Grand Floridan (opened in 1988) were no longer modestly priced. For example, a Garden View room at the Polynesian or a Garden Wing at the Contemporary was up to $160 per night ($364 per night adjusted for inflation) during "Value Season" (most of the year) and $175 per night ($398) during "Peak Season" (Spring Break and Christmas). Again, only 6 years before, it was an inflation adjusted $209 per night year-round.

To resolve the increasing gap between onsite and offsite hotels, Disney opened the Caribbean Beach Resort in 1988. Effectively, CBR was Disney's first "Value Resort". CBR opening year-round rates ranged from $65 per night ($148 in 2021 dollars) for a parking lot view to $85 per night ($193) for a pool or lake view.

However, after just a few more years of price increases under Eisner, CBR was no longer a value resort and the gap between onsite and offsite hotels had grown once again. The All Star Sports and All Star Music were opened in 1994 to close this gap. All Star rack rates ranged from $69 per night ($122 in 2021 dollars) to $79 per night ($140). For reference, 1994 rates at CBR were $89 ($162) to $121 ($220) per night, while the Poly ranged from $210 ($382) to $325 ($590) per night.

Since 1994, it's been a fairly steady stream of price hikes that generally have been about twice the rate of inflation, and about twice the annual increase of median household income. Still, Disney started offering hotel discounts (I think in the 1990s), which offset much of the rack rate price increases. For example, All Star Music was as low as $59 per night ($88) in 2002.
 
I'll repost something I wrote earlier to show that there once was a time when a WDW offered a good value.

Walt Disney envisioned Disneyland as a place for everyone to enjoy. Walt frequently spoke about providing his customers with "value", and DL was intended to be affordable (even if it was not cheap).

Still, Walt needed sponsors for the pavilions he was creating for the 1964 World's Fair, so he added a sponsor's lounge. The first hint of exclusiveness traces its origins to this 1964 World's Fair lounge.

Seeing the success of the World's Fair lounge, Walt wanted corporate sponsors for Disneyland to build more attractions. (Many of Walt's designs were expensive and reportedly Walt loved the idea of getting other corporations to pay for them.) Although Club 33 did not open until May 1967 (5 months after Walt's death), Walt envisioned Club 33 as a way to attract corporate sponsors to Disneyland.

Club 33 aside, Disneyland and Walt Disney World remained firmly targeted for America's working and middle class for decades. For example, when WDW opened in 1971, theme park admission was $3.50 ($24 in today's dollars), while an "Adventure Book" ranged from $4.50 to $5.75 ($30 to $40). (Admission and attractions were combined into a single ticket in 1982.) Together, admission and attractions cost today's equivalent of about $64. I doubt few would consider a $64 ticket to be cheap, but a ticket in 1971 (relative to household income) was a lot less than what it is today.

Hotel prices were similar. A room at the Contemporary or the Polynesian (WDW's first two hotels) started at $29 per night, about $193 today. Again, WDW never was cheap, but it used to be more affordable.

IMO, WDW's value peaked in 1982-1984. The MK was complete, Epcot was new, and a 4-day hopper ticket (they were not called hoppers back then) cost $45 (tax included). That's about $120 in today's dollars for a 4-day hopper ticket. That's less than a one-day no-hopper ticket today. Before the days of computers, hotel rates were simple, with typically one rate year-round. In 1982, you could get a Garden View room at the Polynesian or a Garden Wing room at the Contemporary for $75 per night, about $209 per night in today's dollars.

Just imagine paying $120 for a 4-day ticket and $209 per night to stay at the Polynesian!

Beginning in 1984, things changed. Walt Disney Productions was the target of a hostile takeover and paid a great deal to buy back its own stock. The Board Of Directors recognized that the company was vulnerable and that a change in leadership was needed. For the first time, they brought in an outsider as CEO: Michael Eisner.

It was Michael Eisner who first started pushing prices and stratifying Guests when he took over in 1984. (Keep in mind that Club 33 originally was intended for corporate sponsors, not Guests.) 1984 to 1988 saw record (for Disney) price increases. These increases not only affected ticket prices, but hotel prices as well. Hotels such as the Contemporary, Poly, and Grand Floridan (opened in 1988) were no longer modestly priced. For example, a Garden View room at the Polynesian or a Garden Wing at the Contemporary was up to $160 per night ($364 per night adjusted for inflation) during "Value Season" (most of the year) and $175 per night ($398) during "Peak Season" (Spring Break and Christmas). Again, only 6 years before, it was an inflation adjusted $209 per night year-round.

To resolve the increasing gap between onsite and offsite hotels, Disney opened the Caribbean Beach Resort in 1988. Effectively, CBR was Disney's first "Value Resort". CBR opening year-round rates ranged from $65 per night ($148 in 2021 dollars) for a parking lot view to $85 per night ($193) for a pool or lake view.

However, after just a few more years of price increases under Eisner, CBR was no longer a value resort and the gap between onsite and offsite hotels had grown once again. The All Star Sports and All Star Music were opened in 1994 to close this gap. All Star rack rates ranged from $69 per night ($122 in 2021 dollars) to $79 per night ($140). For reference, 1994 rates at CBR were $89 ($162) to $121 ($220) per night, while the Poly ranged from $210 ($382) to $325 ($590) per night.

Since 1994, it's been a fairly steady stream of price hikes that generally have been about twice the rate of inflation, and about twice the annual increase of median household income. Still, Disney started offering hotel discounts (I think in the 1990s), which offset much of the rack rate price increases. For example, All Star Music was as low as $59 per night ($88) in 2002.

Excellent summary. Thank you.

Here’s the thing that impacts the pricing as it stands today - supply and demand.

I think the EMH for deluxe guests is in response to the Moderates and Values being fully booked (or almost so) for the 50th while there is still availability at the deluxe hotels and the Villas that have been converted to hotel rooms as part of a points exchange (with the new Wish ship, I imagine that happened a lot). It is simply about analyzing what people want more of and what they can’t get. If Disney can convert a fraction of those booked Mods to booked Deluxe rooms, they create more space for others to visit and stay on property. Win-win.

Is it a money grab? Sure. But I don’t think it was created in a vacuum of “how can we make more money?” It’s in response to “people aren’t booking hotel stays because there’s no availability in these two categories. How can we solve that problem?”


Don’t get me wrong, Disney is a corporation who has to answer to their shareholders, especially after the last 15 months. They’re here to make money, no doubt. But I don’t think they sit around and contemplate how to make it an Elite level experience to cut out the working class. They simply analyze the data and make business choices.
 
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