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I'm so glad I found this thread, and have enjoyed reading everyone's point of view. After reading all of the things I've read about SW, the Orcas, Dawn's death, etc., I'm ashamed that I took my son there several years ago. He has special needs, and loved every second of watching the Orcas during the show. I've never seen him smile and clap so much. But alas, we won't be going again. My 6 y/o daughter loves dolphins and orcas, and I had to explain to her why we won't be going to Sea World when we go to FL this month. I also told her that SW has done a really great job at tricking everyone into thinking that the Orcas really enjoy being there. But they don't. I'm so glad she "gets" it.

Anyway, hoping to see the movie soon! I came across the trailer a few weeks ago, and have been very eager to see it!

What a perfect, simplified explanation of the whole thing - in case anyone else on this thread couldn't tell, I love to dig in to the details especially on a topic like this:blush:, but the rock-bottom core of the issue is captive animals made to look happy when they are not. Thank you for stating it so succinctly.
 
This thread has a natural home on the Disboards because SW is a topic of these boards and a theme park. I assume (perhaps incorrectly) that all of us have in common an interest in theme parks which is why we joined these boards in the first place. Logically following, there is a brand new film out about a theme park a lot of us theme-park goers have been to (or in some cases still go to), so it seems very natural to me that this a topic of conversation here.

If you would like to start a thread about human trafficking (or AIDS or cancer) and how that relates to the theme park world, I would be more than happy to read it and add my thoughts if I think I have anything useful to say on the topic.

Animal intelligence and cognition are topics of very deep interest to me. You didn't ask, but I also happen to be interested in literature, kids/YA literature, history (economic, social, military and political/diplomatic history), nature, science, and the criminal justice system. I am happy that different people are deeply passionate about different topics - the world would be one-dimensional if everyone had the same level of enthusiasm about exactly the same things. I happen to think that it is our different passions that can, in the end, make the world a better place for all living creatures - I am sorry that we seem to disagree on that point.

Again... You said it perfectly!

As far as animals go, for me it's tigers, jags, and reptiles. For others it's elephants, insects, sea turtles, shelters, etc.
 
sonnyjane, thanks for responding back to me about my critique of SW's rebuttal to Blackfish.

Here are my responses to your responses!:goodvibes

On the topic of life span of captive versus wild orcas: I took this information directly from the link I mentioned in my post last night - this is an excerpted response from the filmmakers to SW regarding SW's points about the average lifespan of wild vs captive orcas. "In the wild, average lifespan is 30 for males, 50 for females. Their estimated maximum life span is 60-70 years for males and 80-90 years for females." When I saw the movie, I thought it said the average (not maximum) life expectancy was, depending on gender, 60-90 years for all wild orcas. Which is why I agree with SW that, to me, the film was misleading. However, if the information in italics (which came from the fimmakers on their website) is wrong or if the numbers are skewed because of "infant" orca deaths (dragging down the mean age) and it actually is, on average, closer to 60-80, then the film was perfectly accurate. It is also entirely possible that I misunderstood the information provided in the film and therefore interpreted it incorrectly.

I totally agree with you on positive reward-based training. I was simply trying to refute SW's claim that the movie said SW used punishment on their animals. I heard or saw no such claim in the film unless you take into account the "withholding food" comments that were made by a former trainer(s). That is the only remotely negative ("punishment"-like) thing I think the movie said about the training methods at SW. I agree with you that it is not punishment (again unless they were starving the animals into submission), but I couldn't figure out what else SW was talking about???:confused3 Perhaps SW thinks the general movie-going audience isn't sophisticated enough to understand rewarding good behavior and ignoring unwanted behaviors in a positive rewards-based training program? I thought your cupcake/kid comparison quite apt, so it doesn't seem like the general public would have that much of a hard time getting it, but perhaps SW disagrees?? More than likely, as I mentioned in my post last night, it makes me wonder how closely SW actually watched the film before responding to it because, again, I didn't really see an attack on the training methods themselves. If I am correct, SW uses a variant of the clicker-based training method created/popularized by Karen Pryor and widely regarded as a break through in positive training.

Finally, on the shows being an extension of natural behaviors. I agree that things like jumping out of the water or touching a certain object are natural extensions of normal behavior (the practice of teaching an animal to target as the orcas were taught with a ball can be quite useful in captivity to direct an animal's body for an examine, blood draw, etc.). However, a human sitting on their knees and riding the killer whale as if it were an animal-powered surf board does not seem to be a natural extension of any type of wild behavior to me. I also agree with you that it is good PR-speak to make it seem like the animal is just acting like it would out in nature and to defuse any situations of people questioning what they were teaching the animals to do.

Do you plan to read the book Death at SeaWorld: Shamu and the Dark Side of Killer Whales in Captivity by David Kirby? It is on my to-read list, just behind many many other books that are waiting to be read!:)

To everyone else, please keep your reviews of the film coming as you see it and if anyone has read the book I mentioned above, please post a review of that too.
 
If I am correct, SW uses a variant of the clicker-based training method created/popularized by Karen Pryor and widely regarded as a break through in positive training.

Yeah, they use operant conditioning now with whistle bridges. They did not ALWAYS do that but training in any zoo or aquarium many years ago wasn't done using operant conditioning (positive reinforcement) training. The film specifically said (paraphrase) "So they punished them. They withheld food until they were hungry enough to go into the pen". There are 4 things you can do when using operant conditioning. You can use positive reinforcement (R+) which means when the animal performs a desired behavior, you add something rewarding (like a treat). You can use negative reinforcement (R-) which means when the animal performs a desired behavior, you remove something that was not rewarding (a scary object near their pen perhaps). You can use positive punishment (P+) which means when they perform and undesired behavior you are adding something negative (hitting an animal, shocking them, etc.). Or, you can use negative punishment (P-) in which when they perform an undesired behavior, you remove something that was positive (isolate an animal from their friend for example). You could argue that not feeding them is negative punishment since you are taking away food, except that it's not taking away something they already have, it's denying them something that they may have received.

Do you plan to read the book Death at SeaWorld: Shamu and the Dark Side of Killer Whales in Captivity by David Kirby? It is on my to-read list, just behind many many other books that are waiting to be read!:)

Yeah I hadn't really been aware of it before but certainly am now! P.S. I found their website today: http://deathatseaworld.com/

Looks like a dolphin had a very bad day in San Antonio a few days ago if you scroll down... Maybe I'll have to reevaluate my dolphin stance as well!

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There's no universal rule that the mistreatment of humans has to take priority over the mistreatment of animals in MY level of outrage. It's perfectly fine if that's how your hierarchy works. There's a lot of crap happening in the world. Should someone be upset at someone for wanting to cure cancer instead of AIDS when both are legitimately terrible?

While the cancer and aids comparison is not at all the same in my opinion, I'm definitely not here to call anyone crazy though. BTW I'm not upset just disheartened by the things people care about when IMO more important issues get no attention. Not just here and just these two issues just in general.


Jakejenna - I'm sure if you started a thread to discuss human trafficking you could begin a spirited discussion.

This thread was started to discuss "Blackfish". And that's ok. I have appreciated the intelligent and thoughtful statements and responses I have been reading.

Dsnyfireman - I've been told by many people that I need help!

We all have our causes. Just because someone is passionate about animal rights doesn't mean they care less about human rights. Here's my story - I am a 59 year old grandmother, a bleeding heart old hippie. My husband and I are raising our 5 year old grandson because our daughter is currently incapable. My husband teaches special education in a public high school. I work as a social worker assisting homeless veterans. You know, the brave men and women that fought for our country, came home and cannot find work and have no resources to pay for shelter for themselves, spouses and children. Most have been diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder and/or traumatic brain injury and cannot work. Social workers do not make a lot of money. So in order to pay for our Disney trips I work a second job writing behavioral plans for mentally challenged adults. I would love to take on the cause of human trafficking but I cannot. I think I give back a lot to my community.
As stated in a previous post I have championed the rights of cetaceans for 40 years. My brother and I took a trip to Sea World in Ohio (now closed) in the early 70's. I left there sickened. I still feel the same way. I'm not giving up now. I'll continue to educate others about this injustice until my last breath. If this makes me a crazy person in need of help, so be it. Better to act on your passion than sit and do nothing except point a finger.

That's the thing though the last human trafficking thread lasted a page and a half. I have actually enjoyed this thread as well, as a child we went to SW Ohio as well and it was one of the best memory's of my childhood. I would love to take the kids in Orlando DW and I are still undecided. As always each particular case is different and I can definitely understand you wanting to keep more human tragedy out of your life, and your right you should follow your passion as opposed to doing nothing at all.
 
I am going to be watching this when it comes on CNN October. I enjoy going to to zoos and aquariums. I did Not enjoy Sea World San Diego when we went in 2002 and would never give them money again. I've been to probably half a dozen aquariums, and a few more zoos and I have never seen enclosures that cramped. The amount of sea turtles they had crammed into an area the size of our family room was nauseating. The animals at the mirage in Vegas have way more room; and they rotate them out several times a day to bigger pens. Maybe sea world does that; but it was not the impression i got. I guess they really want to make sure you see every animal when you go; but at a good zoo or aquarium that shouldn't be a given.

As for helping animals. That's great, but most facilities do that. Regardless of whether they keep orcas or give the animals a reasonable living space. Personally I'd rather support facilities that treat the animals in their care better.
 
Again... You said it perfectly!

As far as animals go, for me it's tigers, jags, and reptiles. For others it's elephants, insects, sea turtles, shelters, etc.

The animals I find particularly fascinating - my interest within my wider interest of animals/wildlife in general:

Elephants - very concerned about poaching for ivory
Gorillas
Orangutans
Rhinos - very concerned about poaching for rhino horn used in eastern medicine
Dolphins
Sharks - very very disgusted by the practice of shark finning
Birds of paradise
Parrots and ravens - extremely interested about all the research in the past decades on bird intelligence like Irene Pepperberg's work with African Greys AND recent work showing ravens can use a tool to get at another tool and then use the second tool to get food- quite advanced thinking/planning
Big cats - lions, leopards, tigers, cheetahs, pumas and jaguars
Dogs
Rats
Bears - especially the polar bear and grizzly
Penguins

I could probably keep going but then it wouldn't be so much a narrowed-down list as just a big list!

I am also concerned about the health of the oceans overall.I have an awe for oceans as a whole and how all the pieces are connected and I do love to learn about members of the ocean community - especially whales, sea turtles, and dolphins!

Finally another animal welfare topic close to my heart is animal shelters. Both of our dogs are from two different shelters. Dobby was dropped off to a shelter by his original owner who longer wanted him (his name then was Marty - Dobby suits him much better as he is a very wonderful loyal friend). We adopted Tonks from Stray Rescue (www.strayrescue.org) - an amazing organization dedicated to rescuing stray (feral or abandoned), abused and neglected dogs in the urban core of St. Louis. The city of St. Louis has a big problem with dog fighting and severe animal abuse and neglect. Tonks is a former stray - all we know about her is that she is about 4 years old and probably lived a tough life before we got her - her body shows evidence of having many litters of puppies and probably living a lot of the time on concrete. She is our angel - loves everyone she meets, loves to eat and loves to sleep on our couch or on the recliner that has now become "hers."

But as you can see by my interest in orcas I can find interest in and want to know more about any animal!
 


Mrsclark,

If you ever want to chat about birds, I'm your gal. Our collection has tons of different kinds from raptors to toucans to parrots and corvids. The parrots and corvids (crows and ravens) are my absolute favorites and I will tell you something - I did that internship training dolphins for 4 months and in MY opinion, parrots and corvids pick stuff up as fast as if not faster than any dolphin I've worked with. They not only learn quickly, but they also learn from each other through watching, and they "practice" things in their down time. Many times we'll be close to training a behavior but they just aren't quite there at the end of the first day. When we come in the next morning, they've usually got the behavior down! They think about it and rehearse it when we aren't around. You have to be constantly on your toes because they will take advantage of any mistake you make to get into mischief ;)
 
Mrsclark and Sonnyjane - Because of your backgrounds, perhaps either of you can answer this question for me. Of all the data that has been collected from observing, testing and training captive dolphins (inclusive of killers whales) what have we learned? What practical application? Is there anything so earth shattering and mind blowing that we can possibly justify captivity? I can't find anything in my research but maybe either of you can direct me to a source?
 
FYI. 26 days until the Taiji brutal dolphin slaughter and capture for marine parks,aquariums and swim with dolphin programs begins.

I wonder how many pilot whales will be herded, captured, branded as "stranded and rescued" and sold to U.S. marine parks?
 
Mrsclark and Sonnyjane - Because of your backgrounds, perhaps either of you can answer this question for me. Of all the data that has been collected from observing, testing and training captive dolphins (inclusive of killers whales) what have we learned? What practical application? Is there anything so earth shattering and mind blowing that we can possibly justify captivity? I can't find anything in my research but maybe either of you can direct me to a source?

Most has been on bottlenose dolphins that I'm aware, and that's mostly dealing with communication. They've done a lot of research on how echolocation works which has been used to develop technology for the military. They've also done a lot of research with image boards and a new variation of "sign language" getting dolphins and humans speaking the same language with each other. All the research certainly points to the fact that they are among the most intelligent animals.
 
Most has been on bottlenose dolphins that I'm aware, and that's mostly dealing with communication. They've done a lot of research on how echolocation works which has been used to develop technology for the military. They've also done a lot of research with image boards and a new variation of "sign language" getting dolphins and humans speaking the same language with each other. All the research certainly points to the fact that they are among the most intelligent animals.


Thank you for your response!
It's basically the same that I have read. But, in my opinion, still doesn't justify captivity:sad1:
 
Most has been on bottlenose dolphins that I'm aware, and that's mostly dealing with communication. They've done a lot of research on how echolocation works which has been used to develop technology for the military. They've also done a lot of research with image boards and a new variation of "sign language" getting dolphins and humans speaking the same language with each other. All the research certainly points to the fact that they are among the most intelligent animals.

Does this research require concrete pools? Could it be done, is it done in sea pens?
 
Does this research require concrete pools? Could it be done, is it done in sea pens?

I can find no resource indicating any data collected in sea pens. If it's being done at all I would imagine it's conducted during a rehab and release project under one of the anti captivity organizations.

Two weeks ago I asked the question regarding application of collected data to two "behaviorist/trainers" in The Living Seas at EPCOT. Answers I received were "They can identify a shape of a shoe". "They respond to our directions". "If they don't want to work with us we don't make them." "You can stay for the next show at 2:00 and see what we do." My jaw dropped but I smiled and remained non-confrontational. Even my husband (who humors me with my cause) walked away and said "they don't have a clue."
 
Does this research require concrete pools? Could it be done, is it done in sea pens?

The ones I'm thinking of specifically don't require pools. I should actually say that the place I did my internship for that does a lot of research actually does use sea pens, but a sea pen is still captivity, so I don't think it's a pool vs. sea pen issue necessarily. The size of a sea pen and a pool are comparable. You CAN make sea pens larger for orcas, but not every sea pen is giant. The pools we used are comparable to the size of dolphin pools at other facilities, just in the ocean.
 
I have been thinking about this for a couple days - you will find my response below!

I can find no resource indicating any data collected in sea pens. If it's being done at all I would imagine it's conducted during a rehab and release project under one of the anti captivity organizations.

Two weeks ago I asked the question regarding application of collected data to two "behaviorist/trainers" in The Living Seas at EPCOT. Answers I received were "They can identify a shape of a shoe". "They respond to our directions". "If they don't want to work with us we don't make them." "You can stay for the next show at 2:00 and see what we do." My jaw dropped but I smiled and remained non-confrontational. Even my husband (who humors me with my cause) walked away and said "they don't have a clue."

During our vacations in 2011 and 2012, my husband and I watched dolphin research at The Seas at Epcot and were impressed with the type of research being presented. The particular researchers we saw seemed to know their stuff. We did attend two presentations (one in 2011 and one in 2012).

The concept that I saw the dolphins working on in 2011 was same/different. They would show the dolphin a pair of objects - either two of the same thing or a "pair" of different things. The dolphin would then go over to another researcher who would show them two or three? different sets of objects (could contain objects from the first pairing or completely different objects) and the dolphin would pick out the pair in the group that either contained a pair of the same objects or a pair of different objects depending on if she saw a set or same or different from the first researcher. The dolphin was not seeing a pair of objects and finding its match in another spot but instead learning the concept of same and different and then applying that knowledge. For example, let's say the dolphin was first shown two apples. The correct answer out of the set she was given in the answers section was a pair of pineapples (2 of the same object). Or let's say the dolphin was first shown a pineapple and a banana. The correct answer would be an apple and a pear (not pineapple/pineapple or even shoe/shoe). I hope I did an ok job explaining it, it would be a lot easier with visual aids.:) There were three researchers there, one to show the first set of objects, the second to show the "answers" and the third to videotape the whole thing. It seemed well constructed so that one of the trainers didn't have the ability to "tip off" the dolphin as the right answer. There was also a written table of what order and how the objects should be shown so there couldn't be any researcher introduced bias either.

The second research we saw a year later was on object rotation. This work was with a younger dolphin who was just learning and he did not always pick the right answers like the dolphin in 2011 (who got almost 100% right). Basically, the researchers would show the dolphin an object and then take it away. The second researcher would then show the dolphin a set (I think it was three, but could have been two) of objects, one of which was the first object rotated. The dolphin was then supposed to pick the object he first saw which was now in a rotated position.

The ones I'm thinking of specifically don't require pools. I should actually say that the place I did my internship for that does a lot of research actually does use sea pens, but a sea pen is still captivity, so I don't think it's a pool vs. sea pen issue necessarily. The size of a sea pen and a pool are comparable. You CAN make sea pens larger for orcas, but not every sea pen is giant. The pools we used are comparable to the size of dolphin pools at other facilities, just in the ocean.

I do think there is important work being done on dolphin intelligence in captivity. Am I positive that, on balance, that it is worth it? No, I am not positive, but I lean more towards yes it is a good thing than no it should be stopped.

To start with two examples from other species so that I can best illustrate my point - first, Irene Pepperberg's work with Alex (the African Grey parrot). Over time, Pepperberg was able to teach (or communicate with) Alex in order to prove that he knew concepts like counting, shapes and colors. In the end, she also did work with Alex that appeared to show that he understood the very abstract concept of zero. But in order to get to the point where she could find this out about Alex, a lot of teaching and learning to communicate had to be done. The bridge between species to communicate had to be built over time and develop with a relationship. I am doubtful that such a relationship would ever develop in the wild. Thanks to Pepperberg's work (and others too), we now have a completely new understanding of parrot intelligence. Our best estimates now are that parrots are at least as smart as a 4-5 year-old human child.

Another example, chimps (I believe) were taught to use "money" (actually tokens) to exchange for food. Tests were run by behavioral economists to see how changing the price of food items would matter to the chimps. If I remember correctly, the researchers made a mediocre item go up in value (to mimic the human model/belief that very expensive things must be worth their high price - why else would it be so expensive unless it is worth it?) which had no effect on making the chimps demand/want more just because the price went up and was now a luxury item. Instead, the chimps continued to want the things they individually valued most and could not be influenced by someone else making a value judgement for them, proving perhaps, that with regard to economic choices chimps may be more rational than humans.:)

This research has a real world effect because I think understanding (eventually) leads to more respect and care for a species - both those in the wild and those in captivity. I am not saying that only "intelligent" species should be protected, just that when we have a better understanding of a species it is harder to see an animal as a "them" versus an "us." Humans have been on a constant quest to find the obvious dividing line as to what makes "us" human and what makes animals "them." At one time, it was widely thought, that only humans use tools. Now, of course, we know that chimps, elephants, and ravens can use tools too - so that one gets knocked off the list. What about the ability to understand the concept of self - with the famous mirror test animals such as dolphins and elephants have shown that they have the concept of self as well. What about the ability remember and mourn the dead - elephants in the wild have been shown to stop at the bones of dead members of their herd when they journey past them (what exactly they are doing, we don't know, but the behavior is notable). What about understanding abstract concepts - dogs who know the names of their toys seem to be able to figure out to retrieve an unnamed toy if it is left in a pile of toys that the dog already has labels for - so figuring out the requested toy must be the one they don't know as it is the only one in the pile they don't have a mental label for, Alex the African Gray understands zero, and the dolphins at Epcot are proving that the concept of same and different (not just matching up pairs) is something they can understand and process.

So to bring the discussion around to dolphins in captivity in general. In addition to the work at Epcot which I believes does require a relationship across species to make communication possible, I also saw an experiment with captive dolphins on an episode of Nova Science Now on PBS. Basically, the dolphins had been working with the trainers for a long time and the dolphins and trainers had a vocabulary/communication system. Through this communication system, the trainers were able to tell a pair of dolphins to make up a new trick on together, just the two dolphins. The dolphins then exchanged clicks underwater and were able to do something for the trainers that the trainers hadn't taught them and the dolphins hadn't done before together. This adds to our body of knowledge of dolphin intelligence and in the long run can be of benefit to both wild and captive dolphins.

I am very excited about all of the intelligent life that we have here on earth that hasn't fully been researched and is far, far from being understood. Therefore, I think dolphins in captivity for research and education purposes probably passes my gut check test for now. Perhaps 10, 15, 20 years from now when we have a lot more research and perhaps when humans become less concerned with the clear line dividing "us" and "them" and more concerned with the planet's ecosystem and inhabitants as a whole, it will no longer be an acceptable practice.

That being said, I don't think just any organization should have dolphins. The two main goals should be research and education. Last year I was at a zoo in the mid-west which has a dolphin show. I was dismayed that the entire show was just the trainer dancing around to blaring music while the dolphin "danced" around in the water. No new information was gained for research purposes and no one in the audience was taught anything either. This is also an area where I think SeaWorld fails. As mentioned in this thread before, the main requirements to be a trainer at SW are high school graduate, physically fit, and looking good in front of an audience, so I am not sure how much actual research is going on there (my guess is little to none) and based on the shows I have seen at SW, the emphasis is heavily on entertainment and light on education (to me).
 
Mrsclark,

If you ever want to chat about birds, I'm your gal. Our collection has tons of different kinds from raptors to toucans to parrots and corvids. The parrots and corvids (crows and ravens) are my absolute favorites and I will tell you something - I did that internship training dolphins for 4 months and in MY opinion, parrots and corvids pick stuff up as fast as if not faster than any dolphin I've worked with. They not only learn quickly, but they also learn from each other through watching, and they "practice" things in their down time. Many times we'll be close to training a behavior but they just aren't quite there at the end of the first day. When we come in the next morning, they've usually got the behavior down! They think about it and rehearse it when we aren't around. You have to be constantly on your toes because they will take advantage of any mistake you make to get into mischief ;)

sonnyjane.

I would love to hear more about your work and training with birds - especially the corvids!

Are there any books you recommend on the topic of birds? I read Alex and Me by Irene Pepperberg on a Disney Cruise in March and thoroughly enjoyed it. On the topic of birds, I also really like The Last Flight of the Scarlet Macaw by Bruce Barcott and Of Parrots and People by Mira Tweti.
 
sonnyjane.

I would love to hear more about your work and training with birds - especially the corvids!

Are there any books you recommend on the topic of birds? I read Alex and Me by Irene Pepperberg on a Disney Cruise in March and thoroughly enjoyed it. On the topic of birds, I also really like The Last Flight of the Scarlet Macaw by Bruce Barcott and Of Parrots and People by Mira Tweti.

I'm out of town until Saturday night so won't be of much help until I'm at a computer, but I did want to say that Alex and Irene are very controversial in the field of avian training. There is no dispute that Alex had an amazing vocabulary and great relationship with his trainer, but there's a lot of skepticism about how much coaching he received during sessions. Parrots learn social cues, I.e. they learn "if I say X when Y is in front of me, I get Z". For example, we have an Amazon that says "want an apple!" Every time we feed him. Does it mean he wants an apple? No. It means that he associates that phrase with getting food in general. He also says "wanna come out?" Whenever we open his door. He doesn't really understand what "wanna come out?" means, but he knows that when we open the door, we tend to say that phrase, so when he sees the door open, he says it and it seems like he "understands" that opening the door means coming out. That's not necessarily true, and a lot of Alex's behaviors were in that type of situation - he understood that saying one phrase lead to an action, but did he really understand what he was saying?
 
"Perhaps 10, 15, 20 years from now when we have a lot more research and perhaps when humans become less concerned with the clear line dividing "us" and "them" and more concerned with the planet's ecosystem and inhabitants as a whole, it will no longer be an acceptable practice". (Mrsclark)

Mrsclark - I can truly appreciate your knowledge on this subject. But I think for now we must agree to disagree. I still believe it's time to stop the research in captivity and concentrate on what cetaceans have to teach us from the wild. We already know they are extremely intelligent. Let's move on and get realistic data collected in their natural environment.

I am thrilled that just yesterday NOAA denied a permit for the import of 18 wild caught Belugas from Russia. The request was from Sea World, Georgia Aquarium and Shedd Aquarium. Several organizations are now working on plans to recover the whales and begin to rehab and release them. All the squawking and protesting from us crazy tree hugging animal loving activist fools is slowing being recognized!
 
I question any documentary that has an agenda before it's even filmed. It appears the entire point of this documentary was to show SeaWorld as awful. Maybe it is, but a good documentary director doesn't make assumptions to begin with.
 
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