HELP me get my 6 month old to sleep! PLEASE! (update post 74)

rparmfamily- Be prepared for the fallout of your post...

Although I agree you can find studies to support anything, very few people understand how studies are developed and how to tell if it was a well-structured study or a poor one. I personally have found the research saying that CIO is ok to be sparse and unconvincing given study size, conditions of the study, statistical analysis of the results, and bias of the investigating researchers, among other factors.

Thanks so much for posting it, and I hope that anyone cybersurfing or lurking will see it, and it will be of help to them in making their decision.
 
I'm not going to convince those who thing letting your baby cry hyserically to sleep is a good thing, but maybe there is another parent out there thinking about it, so I'll post this for them.

1. Cry it out can cause harmful changes to babies’ brains
Babies cry. They cry to let us know that they need something. And when we don’t respond to those cries, it causes them undue amounts of stress. Science has shown that stress in infancy can result in enduring negative impacts on the brain. Prolonged cries in infants causes increased blood pressure in the brain, elevates stress hormones, obstructs blood from draining out of the brain, and decreases oxygenation to the brain. Excessive crying results in an oversensitive stress system (likened to a faulty burglar alarm in one book) that can lead to a fear of being alone, separation anxiety, panic attacks and addictions. Harvard researchers found that it makes them more susceptible to stress as adults and changes the nervous system so that they are overly sensitive to future trauma. Chronic stress in infancy can also lead to an over-active adrenaline system, which results in the child using increased aggression, impulsivity, and violence. Another study showed that persistent crying episodes in infancy led to a 10 times greater chance of the child having ADHD, resulting in poor school performance and antisocial behaviour. However, if you consistently soothe your child’s distress and take any anguished crying seriously, highly effective stress response systems are established in the brain that allow your child to cope with stress later in life.

2. Cry it out can result in decreased intellectual, emotional and social development
At an American Academy of Pediatrics meeting, infant developmental specialist Dr. Michael Lewis presented research findings demonstrating that “the single most important influence of a child’s intellectual development is the responsiveness of the mother to the cues of her baby.” More specifically, other studies have found that babies whose cries are ignored do not develop healthy intellectual and social skills, that they have an average IQ 9 points lower at age 5, they show poor fine motor development, show more difficulty controlling their emotions, and take longer to become independent as children (stay clingy for longer).

3. Cry it out can result in a detached baby
Researchers have shown that although leaving a baby to cry it out does often lead to the cries eventually stopping, the cries do not stop because the child is content or the problem has been alleviated. Rather, they stop because the baby has given up hope that a caregiver will respond and provide comfort. This results in a detached baby. Detached children are less responsive, appear to be depressed or “not there” and often lack empathy.

4. Cry it out is harmful to the parent-child relationship
A child that is left to cry it out is less likely to turn to the parents in times of need. Being attended to as a baby is the most basic of needs and if a child learns at that point that she can count on her parents to respond to her needs, then she will also turn to them later in life when she needs their support. But I worry that if I leave my children to cry it out, then they will not see the point in reaching out to us if they have problems later in life and could try to deal with serious issues like bullying, drug addictions, teenage pregnancy, gambling problems, or flunking out of school on their own or turn to peers. Unfortunately, those problems are often too big for a teenager to be left to deal with alone or with peers and it can have disastrous results ranging from making poor decisions all the way to committing suicide out of a feeling of hopelessness.

5. Cry it out can make children insecure
Children whose caregivers are not consistently responsive and sensitive, often become insecure. Long-term studies have shown that secure individuals are more likely to be outgoing, popular, well-adjusted, compassionate, and altruistic. As adults, secure individuals are likely to be comfortable depending on others, can develop close attachments, and trust their partners. Insecure individuals, on the other hand, tend to be unsettled in their relationships, displaying anxiety (manifesting as possessiveness, jealousy, and clinginess) or avoidance (manifesting as mistrust and a reluctance to depend on others). Parents that use the cry it out method often do so because they are afraid that their children are becoming too dependent. However, an abundance of research shows that regular physical contact, reassurance, and prompt responses to distress in infancy and childhood results in secure and confident adults who are better able to form functional relationships.

6. Cry it out often doesn’t work at all
Some babies will not give in. They are resilient or stubborn enough that they refuse to believe that their parents could be so cruel as to leave them to cry to sleep. So instead of whimpering a bit and then drifting off to sleep as some supposed sleep experts would have you believe happens, they end up sobbing and sobbing and sobbing for hours on end. Some end up vomiting. Many end up shaking so hard and become so distraught that once their parents realize that CIO is not going to work, the baby is shaking uncontrollably and hiccuping, too distressed to sleep and too distraught to be calmed down even by a loving parent.

7. Even if cry it out does “work”, parents often have to do it over and over again
I can’t imagine putting my child through one or several nights of inconsolable crying to get her to go to sleep and I certainly can’t imagine having to do it over and over again. However, that is the reality for many parents. I hear people tell me that they always let their child cry for thirty minutes to go to sleep. Or that they have to start the CIO sleep training process all over again after each round of teething, each growth spurt, each developmental milestone.

8. Cry it out is disrespectful of my child’s needs
So-called sleep trainers will tell you that after a certain age, babies do not have any more needs at night. Some claim this is after a few short weeks, others after a few months, others after a year. Regardless of the age that is assigned to that message, to me it seems wrong. I’m an adult and yet there are days when I need someone else to comfort me. If I’ve had a really stressful week at work, if I’ve had a fight with someone that is important to me, if I’ve lost a loved one, then I need to be comforted. But how would I feel and what would it do to our relationship if my husband closed the door and walked out of the room and let me “cry it out” myself? I’m an adult and yet there are nights when I am so parched that I need a glass of water or I am so hungry that I need a snack. I’m not going to die if those needs are not met, but I am going to physically uncomfortable and unable to sleep soundly. If I were to let my child CIO, it would be like saying that his needs are not important and that to me is disrespectful. To quote Dr. William Sears on the sleep trainers, “Parents let me caution you. Difficult problems in child rearing do not have easy answers. Children are too valuable and their needs too important to be made victims of cheap, shallow advice“.

9. Deep sleep from cry it out is often a result of trauma
Babies who are left to cry it out do sometimes fall into a deep sleep after they finally drop off. And their parents and sleep trainers will hail this as a success of the CIO method. However, babies and young children often sleep deeply after experiencing trauma. Therefore, the deep sleep that follows CIO shouldn’t be seen as proof that it works. Rather, it should be seen as a disturbing shortcoming.

10. Our World Needs More Love
Rates of depression are skyrocketing. Violent and senseless crimes are on the rise. As human beings, we need to spend more time being there for each other, showing compassion, nurturing our children. Learning that you can’t count on your parents to be there when you need them is a tough lesson to learn that early in life and can be a root of many of the social problems we are facing today. I want to give my kids every chance possible of escaping depression and staying away from violence. And I’m convinced that nurturing them and responding to their needs at night, as I do during the day, is the first step in the right direction.



Sources:

The following sources were used in the development of this post:


Dr. Sears – Science Says: Excessive Crying Could be Harmful to Babies
Margaret Chuong-Kim – Cry It Out: The Potential Dangers of Leaving Your Baby to Cry
Paul M. Fleiss, M.D., M.P.H, F.A.A.P – Mistaken Approaches to Night Waking
Australian Association for Infant Mental Health – Position Paper 1: Controlled Crying
Alvin Powell – Children Need Touching and Attention, Harvard Researchers Say
Pinky McKay – The Con of Controlled Crying
Linda Folden Palmer – Stress in Infancy
Gayle E. McKinnon – CIO? No! The case for not using “cry-it-out” with your children
Macall Gordon – Is “crying it out” appropriate for infants? A review of the literature on the use of extinction in the first year
Elizabeth Pantley – The No Cry Sleep Solution (book)
Katie Allison Granju – Attachment Parenting (book)
Dr. William Sears – Nighttime Parenting (book)
Margot Sunderland – The Science of Parenting (book)

Really.....just really????? Wow! As a parent that has let her children CIO, I can assure you that both my children are well adjusted, intelligent, secure, attached, emotionally stable, social, respectful and very kind. Neither one has suffered any negative impacts of crying it out.

Source = me, the parent, the one that knows best for my child.
If you're going to quote all of the sources of why CIO is bad, why didn't you quote the ones that say it is beneficial? Because you want people to think your way is right, and the only way. Bottom line, parents have a choice. Again, you don't have to agree with it but don't be disrepectful. That probably wasn't your intention but by the extreme negativity in your post that is what was implied.

Again - we all know what is best for our own children. What works for one may not work for another. CIO parents do not let their children cry all night long. CIO parents do comfort their children when they are sick and hurt etc. As my pediatrician stated, if you know your child is not sick, hurt, wet, etc then it is just fine to let them cry.

I have not bashed "your" way of letting your child go to sleep - don't bash "mine".

BTW - I understant perfectly well how scientific studies are developed as I have my degree in Biology.
 
Really.....just really????? Wow! As a parent that has let her children CIO, I can assure you that both my children are well adjusted, intelligent, secure, attached, emotionally stable, social, respectful and very kind. Neither one has suffered any negative impacts of crying it out.

Source = me, the parent, the one that knows best for my child.
If you're going to quote all of the sources of why CIO is bad, why didn't you quote the ones that say it is beneficial? Because you want people to think your way is right, and the only way. Bottom line, parents have a choice. Again, you don't have to agree with it but don't be disrepectful. That probably wasn't your intention but by the extreme negativity in your post that is what was implied.

Again - we all know what is best for our own children. What works for one may not work for another. CIO parents do not let their children cry all night long. CIO parents do comfort their children when they are sick and hurt etc. As my pediatrician stated, if you know your child is not sick, hurt, wet, etc then it is just fine to let them cry.

I have not bashed "your" way of letting your child go to sleep - don't bash "mine".

BTW - I understant perfectly well how scientific studies are developed as I have my degree in Biology.

BTW, I have a degree in Biology and psychology, as well.

Why is citing studies "bashing?" I'm confused completely by this rage people have had on this post when non-CIO people have listed sources. It happened to one other poster besides me, and now this poster.

There's nothing keeping CIO supporters from posting links and studies, as well.

I don't see why peds are considered experts in parenting. I don't even consider all doctors experts in health, when I consider the numerous bad doctors I have gone to. My daughter has seen a ped who recommended I let her CIO when she was fussing at 2 weeks. Hmm... good thing I ignored her, because it turned out my daughter was suffering from severe acid reflux and dairy and soy allergies.

Last I checked, in formal debating, citing sources and studies was considered part of refuting an argument. You don't get far based on your own opinion alone.
 
BTW, I have a degree in Biology and psychology, as well.

Why is citing studies "bashing?" I'm confused completely by this rage people have had on this post when non-CIO people have listed sources. It happened to one other poster besides me, and now this poster.

There's nothing keeping CIO supporters from posting links and studies, as well.

I don't see why peds are considered experts in parenting. I don't even consider all doctors experts in health, when I consider the numerous bad doctors I have gone to. My daughter has seen a ped who recommended I let her CIO when she was fussing at 2 weeks. Hmm... good thing I ignored her, because it turned out my daughter was suffering from severe acid reflux and dairy and soy allergies.

Last I checked, in formal debating, citing sources and studies was considered part of refuting an argument. You don't get far based on your own opinion alone.

I said it was bashing because the poster did not cite anything supporting their position; rather the poster cited why the "other" position was bad. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with your pediatrician. That is one reason I was very careful with selecting a pedicatrician. I selected one that also had children - 4 to be exact. Again, CIO will not work on a child that is sick nor would I suggest using CIO on a sick child.

I think people, myself included, are getting defensive because rather than saying why they support their position, they are saying why the other position is bad.

I will say that I don't think either is good or bad. If it works for the child and the parent it is good.
 
I said it was bashing because the poster did not cite anything supporting their position; rather the poster cited why the "other" position was bad. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with your pediatrician. That is one reason I was very careful with selecting a pedicatrician. I selected one that also had children - 4 to be exact. Again, CIO will not work on a child that is sick nor would I suggest using CIO on a sick child.

I think people, myself included, are getting defensive because rather than saying why they support their position, they are saying why the other position is bad.

I will say that I don't think either is good or bad. If it works for the child and the parent it is good.

I have only a few choices of peds in our network that are taking on clients, and I have seen all three. All three support CIO, have little to no knowledge of breastfeeding, and support starting solids at 4 months (against WHO and AAP guidelines). But, the difference is that I don't take parenting advice from peds, so I ignore their parenting advice. I just wish they would educate themselves, at least on the breastfeeding and intro of solids. I wish I could switch peds, but it's not an option for me, unfortunately.

It was not known at the time CIO was suggested that my LO had acid reflux. She was crying a lot, needed me to hold her constantly, and screamed if she was laid down flat. I was told that she needed to learn how to self-soothe, and to just put her in her crib and let her cry- by two different doctors. I refused, and asked to see another doctor. We finally, after many visits and a couple different ideas, determined she had acid reflux, and got her on meds. Still only small improvement. Again, I was told to let her CIO. Again, I refused and insisted we keep investigating. Finally, a dr said it might be a milk allergy, and although he recommended I just quit breastfeeding, he did say I could try eliminating dairy from my diet, and take the 3 weeks it usually takes to get it out of my system, and my DD's. I did this, then discovered we needed to eliminate soy as well, which I also did. It wasn't until she was 3 months old that everything was worked out, healthwise, with my daughter and she could lay down on her own, in her bouncy chair, to sleep (needed to be elevated for acid reflux).

During that 3 months, I held her constantly. I slept sitting up, holding her, because she cried if I put her down. During her first 6 weeks, she nursed almost constantly, all day and night, because she was so sick and felt so miserable and was seeking comfort.

I was told more times than I can count to let her CIO, even by my father and MIL (my mom stayed out of recommendations, and chose to support my decisions instead, which I was so grateful for). I refused, saying that I knew she was crying for a reason, even if I didn't know what it was. I thank G o d that I stuck with it because once everything was sorted out, she was much better at night, which proved that she was crying for a reason and needed me to comfort her.

Now, that's my personal story, and it's just one baby in millions babies, many of whom (including me) have had loving parents do CIO with them. All I know is what I know, and that's it.

I do know that I've whispered to my daughter, on the nights when I thought I just couldn't keep going with so little sleep and the constant holding: "It's ok, baby. I know why G o d sent you to me- he knew I'd understand. He knew that I'd hold you through this. I won't let you down. I promise. Mama's here, and I'm not leaving you." This isn't to call out parents who have used CIO. Again, this is me, and my experience and my feelings and my beliefs, not anyone else's. But I couldn't live with myself if I hadn't been there, and had later found out she was sick, or maybe never found out because the doctors just told me to let her CIO.

I don't think that me sharing this, or sharing studies about CIO and its possible effects, is judgmental, mean, standing on my high horse, telling moms they are bad or saying I am better than anyone. All it is, is me trying to help someone else, maybe just one, benefit from what I went through and my experience with my daughter. That's it. My DH and I were alone in our troubles with our daughter- no one had any real advice for us, the doctors were no help, and we don't have any family in the area that could help. It would have helped me to have found out that I wasn't alone, and that's all I'm trying to do here: babies cry for a reason, and even if you don't understand, and even if it's exhausting, it's for a reason.
 
Tiffjoy -= your post is great, and reflects a lot of what I thought while we were trying to help our boy get better.

We didn't know his full diagnosis until he was about 6 months old. I cannot tell you how many "well-meaning" relatives told us that he was just "fussy", and that "babies cry" and to just let him cry.

I don't think I could have lived with myself if we had done that to him. I'm so glad he was given to OUR family and we met his needs and he is a healthy thriving 6 year old now (who has slept through the night for years and years now).
 
BTW, I have a degree in Biology and psychology, as well.

Why is citing studies "bashing?" I'm confused completely by this rage people have had on this post when non-CIO people have listed sources. It happened to one other poster besides me, and now this poster.

There's nothing keeping CIO supporters from posting links and studies, as well.

I don't see why peds are considered experts in parenting. I don't even consider all doctors experts in health, when I consider the numerous bad doctors I have gone to. My daughter has seen a ped who recommended I let her CIO when she was fussing at 2 weeks. Hmm... good thing I ignored her, because it turned out my daughter was suffering from severe acid reflux and dairy and soy allergies.

Last I checked, in formal debating, citing sources and studies was considered part of refuting an argument. You don't get far based on your own opinion alone.

Because every source cited so far has been a bised syudy conducted by somene pushing THEIR agenda and producing research to back it up.

To everyone who doesn't understand why it upsets people who use CIO to hear that you think we are doing psychological damage to our kids, answerthis and you wil completely understand. Why does it bother you when I say that not allowing children to learn to meet their own needs form an early age produces needy, insecure children?? It is a attack on my parneting choices, that it why. You CAN share your opinon WITHOUT bashing parents who don't share it. You have to realize though, when you start handing out judgments you are going to get them right back. No one likes being told that they are doing harm to thier child when the KNOW they are not and almost everyone is gioing to defend themselves in that situation. Really, how can youexpect anything else when you suggest that a choice someone is making is harming thier child?

FWIW I don't think CIO is the ONLY way to get a child to sleep through the night, but it does seem to have been the most effective way to achieve long term success for myself and almost everyone I know well enough to know what method they used, and none of us have seen any of the supposed ill effects being talked about here. No one I know's child has been harmed by it in any way. If you have another way that works for you then great, but don't tell me that what I am donig is harming my kid when I know that is not the case. That is what has personally bothered me through this whole debate. The implivation that everyone who practices CIO is damaging their child in some way. It is not the case. As with every parenting method, it can be taken to the extreme and misused. Those are the cases that can result in damage, not a parent using it responsibly. It is nto so much that i think CIO is the only way, but that i resent being told it is harmful when I know that is not the case when used correctly.
 


To everyone who doesn't understand why it upsets people who use CIO to hear that you think we are doing psychological damage to our kids, answerthis and you wil completely understand. Why does it bother you when I say that not allowing children to learn to meet their own needs form an early age produces needy, insecure children?? It is a attack on my parneting choices, that it why. You CAN share your opinon WITHOUT bashing parents who don't share it. You have to realize though, when you start handing out judgments you are going to get them right back. No one likes being told that they are doing harm to thier child when the KNOW they are not and almost everyone is gioing to defend themselves in that situation. Really, how can youexpect anything else when you suggest that a choice someone is making is harming thier child?

Actually, as I said, it doesn't bother me in the least what anyone thinks of my parenting. First of all, this is the internet, and not a single person here knows me IRL, so they can't make any real judgments. I merely pointed out the blatant hypocrisy running rampant in this thread where those who practice CIO are allowed to call people who do not do CIO all kinds of terrible things and say awful things about their children and how they will turn out. BUT, when a non-CIO person posts a study or opinion, they are bashed within an inch of their internet life.

FWIW I don't think CIO is the ONLY way to get a child to sleep through the night, but it does seem to have been the most effective way to achieve long term success for myself and almost everyone I know well enough to know what method they used, and none of us have seen any of the supposed ill effects being talked about here. No one I know's child has been harmed by it in any way. If you have another way that works for you then great, but don't tell me that what I am donig is harming my kid when I know that is not the case. That is what has personally bothered me through this whole debate. The implivation that everyone who practices CIO is damaging their child in some way. It is not the case. As with every parenting method, it can be taken to the extreme and misused. Those are the cases that can result in damage, not a parent using it responsibly. It is nto so much that i think CIO is the only way, but that i resent being told it is harmful when I know that is not the case when used correctly.

I'm surprised by this greatly considering your posts saying that those of us who don't do CIO are raising children who won't be able to be potty-trained, be independent, sleep on their own. And that we moms "need to be needed" and are basically selfish for not doing CIO. You have a funny way of showing CIO isn't the only way.
 
I said it was bashing because the poster did not cite anything supporting their position; rather the poster cited why the "other" position was bad. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with your pediatrician. That is one reason I was very careful with selecting a pedicatrician. I selected one that also had children - 4 to be exact. Again, CIO will not work on a child that is sick nor would I suggest using CIO on a sick child.

I think people, myself included, are getting defensive because rather than saying why they support their position, they are saying why the other position is bad.

I will say that I don't think either is good or bad. If it works for the child and the parent it is good.

I think it supported her argument perfectly. It showed why she made the choices that she did. Oh- and as for your ped- I have 5 kids and don't CIO. Just because you have kids doesn't make you an expert (myself included). A ped is the same thing. It is simply opinion when it comes to parenting. As we all say- you don't get an instruction manual with your children.
 
Tiffjoy -= your post is great, and reflects a lot of what I thought while we were trying to help our boy get better.

We didn't know his full diagnosis until he was about 6 months old. I cannot tell you how many "well-meaning" relatives told us that he was just "fussy", and that "babies cry" and to just let him cry.

I don't think I could have lived with myself if we had done that to him. I'm so glad he was given to OUR family and we met his needs and he is a healthy thriving 6 year old now (who has slept through the night for years and years now).

Thanks, dawnmommy. I completely agree with you.
 
Because every source cited so far has been a bised syudy conducted by somene pushing THEIR agenda and producing research to back it up.

To everyone who doesn't understand why it upsets people who use CIO to hear that you think we are doing psychological damage to our kids, answerthis and you wil completely understand. Why does it bother you when I say that not allowing children to learn to meet their own needs form an early age produces needy, insecure children?? It is a attack on my parneting choices, that it why. You CAN share your opinon WITHOUT bashing parents who don't share it. You have to realize though, when you start handing out judgments you are going to get them right back. No one likes being told that they are doing harm to thier child when the KNOW they are not and almost everyone is gioing to defend themselves in that situation. Really, how can youexpect anything else when you suggest that a choice someone is making is harming thier child?

FWIW I don't think CIO is the ONLY way to get a child to sleep through the night, but it does seem to have been the most effective way to achieve long term success for myself and almost everyone I know well enough to know what method they used, and none of us have seen any of the supposed ill effects being talked about here. No one I know's child has been harmed by it in any way. If you have another way that works for you then great, but don't tell me that what I am donig is harming my kid when I know that is not the case. That is what has personally bothered me through this whole debate. The implivation that everyone who practices CIO is damaging their child in some way. It is not the case. As with every parenting method, it can be taken to the extreme and misused. Those are the cases that can result in damage, not a parent using it responsibly. It is nto so much that i think CIO is the only way, but that i resent being told it is harmful when I know that is not the case when used correctly.

Well to me it looked like those studies were performed by reputable sources. If you believe that what you are doing is correct then who cares what any study says? You don't think it is harmful but evidence shows that it can be. Being a parent, if I was doing something with/for my kids and found out that it could have damaging effects I personally would rethink it. I don't believe that any parent sets out to damage their kids etc. The truth of the matter is that raising children is a constantly evolving process. There is always new research coming out. Things change. What our parents didn't think was harmful now is etc. I do however find it amusing that it is okay for CIO parents to bash those who chose differently. Just as you said that you do CIO correctly (which imo there is no correct way to do that), well, we co-sleep correctly. We don't spend our nights awake with 5 kids in our bed. We will not be joining our kids in the dorm room. We don't need marriage counseling, we are not miserable etc. The alleged people you know who are miserable have created their own misery but it has nothing to do with actually co-sleeping. It has to do with them not knowing how to make it work for them and/or how to transition their kids peacefully. These are probably the same parents who have trouble setting limits with their kids when they are awake as well.
I am not offended or resentful of anyone who does not agree with our parenting decisions. If someone makes a good point I will consider it and think about if I want to change the way I am doing something. If they suggest something that I think it ridiculous etc. then I will just smile and nod and move on. I don't care what anyone thinks. My sleeping arrangements have zero effect on anyone else so I don't care what you (a general you) think. I know I am doing what is best for my children.
 
Actually, as I said, it doesn't bother me in the least what anyone thinks of my parenting. First of all, this is the internet, and not a single person here knows me IRL, so they can't make any real judgments. I merely pointed out the blatant hypocrisy running rampant in this thread where those who practice CIO are allowed to call people who do not do CIO all kinds of terrible things and say awful things about their children and how they will turn out. BUT, when a non-CIO person posts a study or opinion, they are bashed within an inch of their internet life.



I'm surprised by this greatly considering your posts saying that those of us who don't do CIO are raising children who won't be able to be potty-trained, be independent, sleep on their own. And that we moms "need to be needed" and are basically selfish for not doing CIO. You have a funny way of showing CIO isn't the only way.

I NEVER targeted anyone. I simply pointed out thathose who take "attachment parenting" to the extreme by never ever letting a child cry experience many of these problems. The problems you cite with CIO are similar EXTREME examples, and not at all the exhibited result of using CIO in a responsible manner. You made the first implication of selfishness, not me and it does go both ways. There are people who use "attachment parenting" for validation, and thati selfish. Just as using CIO, not because it is best for the child, but because it is what you want, is selfish. My point was that it goes both ways. BOTH methods can and have been abused, with horrible results. It seems that you and others on this thread are saying that CIO is never the right thing to do an attachment parenting it always the right course. I only wanted to point out that there ARE instances where it goes horribly wrong. I realize that no one wants to believe me, but literally every parent I know that has tried it has had some form of dependency as a result. If you don't then great, you apparently know something that they didn't. Based on what I have seen and read CIO was the best chioce for my family. We all got the sleep we needed with minimal upset to anyone. I don't get why it is a bad thing if it works, and there are no ill effects??
 
Well to me it looked like those studies were performed by reputable sources. If you believe that what you are doing is correct then who cares what any study says? You don't think it is harmful but evidence shows that it can be. Being a parent, if I was doing something with/for my kids and found out that it could have damaging effects I personally would rethink it. I don't believe that any parent sets out to damage their kids etc. The truth of the matter is that raising children is a constantly evolving process. There is always new research coming out. Things change. What our parents didn't think was harmful now is etc. I do however find it amusing that it is okay for CIO parents to bash those who chose differently. Just as you said that you do CIO correctly (which imo there is no correct way to do that), well, we co-sleep correctly. We don't spend our nights awake with 5 kids in our bed. We will not be joining our kids in the dorm room. We don't need marriage counseling, we are not miserable etc. The alleged people you know who are miserable have created their own misery but it has nothing to do with actually co-sleeping. It has to do with them not knowing how to make it work for them and/or how to transition their kids peacefully. These are probably the same parents who have trouble setting limits with their kids when they are awake as well.
I am not offended or resentful of anyone who does not agree with our parenting decisions. If someone makes a good point I will consider it and think about if I want to change the way I am doing something. If they suggest something that I think it ridiculous etc. then I will just smile and nod and move on. I don't care what anyone thinks. My sleeping arrangements have zero effect on anyone else so I don't care what you (a general you) think. I know I am doing what is best for my children.

Almost all of the studies cited are from authors who also have books on attachment parenting. I call that biased as they are trying to sell a product. They are certianly neither objective nor scientific.
 
I NEVER targeted anyone. I simply pointed out thathose who take "attachment parenting" to the extreme by never ever letting a child cry experience many of these problems. The problems you cite with CIO are similar EXTREME examples, and not at all the exhibited result of using CIO in a responsible manner. You made the first implication of selfishness, not me and it does go both ways. There are people who use "attachment parenting" for validation, and thati selfish. Just as using CIO, not because it is best for the child, but because it is what you want, is selfish. My point was that it goes both ways. BOTH methods can and have been abused, with horrible results. It seems that you and others on this thread are saying that CIO is never the right thing to do an attachment parenting it always the right course. I only wanted to point out that there ARE instances where it goes horribly wrong. I realize that no one wants to believe me, but literally every parent I know that has tried it has had some form of dependency as a result. If you don't then great, you apparently know something that they didn't. Based on what I have seen and read CIO was the best chioce for my family. We all got the sleep we needed with minimal upset to anyone. I don't get why it is a bad thing if it works, and there are no ill effects??

From post #227: DD has classmates who are ill equipped to deal with ANYTHING unpleasant, and I didn't really get why the particular chidren actedthat way until I saw them with thier parents and realized that the parents were doing it for them. I know some will argue that this is a totally different issue, but for many of them it started with running everytime they cried as a baby, and just never stopped.

From post #230: I think what is more true is that some moms just need to be needed more than others.

From post #230: By jumping in immediately every time they cry because they are angry, fustrated, don't want to sleep in their own bed, ect. I think a parent is delaying the development of those essential skills and prolonging the amount of time the baby "needs them" for everything. That is the type of validation some moms need, but not me.

You have constantly implied that those of us who use non-CIO methods are needy, selfish moms who require our babies to need us, so we selfishly put our needs above theirs.

To me, it doesn't make one bit of difference what you think- I know you are wrong about me as a needy mom. I'm secure and confident in my parenting choices. BUT, you have consistently "yelled" at me and others for saying things about non-CIO methods while at the same time hypocritically lumping everyone who does AP in the same box. By your argument, you don't do extreme CIO, so we shouldn't talk about it here. So why do you take the worst example of parenting and say that that's what happens when parents don't do CIO?? No one who has replied here has had any problems with AP styles, yet you continually say, "I know this one person..." BUT, when we cite examples of CIO gone wrong, you cry foul.

You can't have it both ways.
 
BTW, I have a degree in Biology and psychology, as well.

Why is citing studies "bashing?" I'm confused completely by this rage people have had on this post when non-CIO people have listed sources. .

You can post studies left and right, and find information on every side of an argument! That is why it is pointless. I personally don't agree Dr. Sears on a lot of issues, so seeing his name listed on the bottom of the study discredits it more for me. I am a formula-feeding, crib-sleeping, non-babywearing parent. My kids are happy, healthy, and all of them got straigh A's this marking period, high honor roll, including my 8th grader in all honors classes. I guess the formula was good enough - probably their healthy sleep habits didn't hurt, too.
 
You can post studies left and right, and find information on every side of an argument! That is why it is pointless. I personally don't agree Dr. Sears on a lot of issues, so seeing his name listed on the bottom of the study discredits it more for me. I am a formula-feeding, crib-sleeping, non-babywearing parent. My kids are happy, healthy, and all of them got straigh A's this marking period, high honor roll, including my 8th grader in all honors classes. I guess the formula was good enough - probably their healthy sleep habits didn't hurt, too.

It's pointless to do research?

I disagree with that entirely. I think being well-informed is very important. If you read studies and did research that informed some of your decisions, then that makes sense to me. I'm sure your kids are fine. I was a formula baby, parents didn't wear me, and did CIO. I graduated with high honors from both HS and college, and I'm doing more than just ok for myself. What's interesting is that our information is constantly evolving and changing and growing.

For example, I wasn't brought home from the hospital in a carseat. My brother wasn't using a carseat after about 2 years old. Both of us are alive and well. But, that doesn't mean that I should do the same with my daughter. Studies have shown that you should keep children rear-facing in carseats as long as possible, then in booster seats for several more years. I would be remiss not to be constantly researching and evolving my parenting methods based on the current, well-founded and researched methods. Just because my parents did it a certain way isn't reason enough, or even if I have another child and say, "Oh, well, I did it this way before." It's important, I feel, to constantly grow and learn.
 
It's pointless to do research?

I disagree with that entirely. I think being well-informed is very important. If you read studies and did research that informed some of your decisions, then that makes sense to me. I'm sure your kids are fine. I was a formula baby, parents didn't wear me, and did CIO. I graduated with high honors from both HS and college, and I'm doing more than just ok for myself. What's interesting is that our information is constantly evolving and changing and growing.

For example, I wasn't brought home from the hospital in a carseat. My brother wasn't using a carseat after about 2 years old. Both of us are alive and well. But, that doesn't mean that I should do the same with my daughter. Studies have shown that you should keep children rear-facing in carseats as long as possible, then in booster seats for several more years. I would be remiss not to be constantly researching and evolving my parenting methods based on the current, well-founded and researched methods.

Oh, come on, you know she didn't mean research is pointless. I believe the idea is to read research on BOTH sides of the argument, or better yet from an UNBIASED source. People trying to sell thier parenting books are NOT unbiased, reliable sources. They are pushing thier agenda, and will only publish material that supports it. And yes, there is researchthat shows thatattachment parenting leads to attachment issues and that CIO fosters independence. There is research out there to support every point of view on this subject. It is up to us as reasoning adults to wade through it all, with consideration given to the agendas of those publishing it.
 
Almost all of the studies cited are from authors who also have books on attachment parenting. I call that biased as they are trying to sell a product. They are certianly neither objective nor scientific.

Ok.

here are some

AAIMHI POSITION PAPER
The Australian Association for Infant Mental Health:
http://www.gymealily.org/resources_paperva7.htm

Cites several independent resources (as well as Dr Sears, but ignore that paragraph, then):
http://bawlingbabies.blogspot.com/2006/06/quotes-from-various-doctors.html

Journal Article- PAEDIATRIC RESPIRATORY REVIEWS (2005) 6, 134–152

http://www.nd.edu/~jmckenn1/lab/articles
/McKenna_why%20babies%20should%20n.pdf

Article discussing Harvard research (research which I have read but can't give you a link to as it's not on the net for free)

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/1998/04.09/ChildrenNeedTou.html



That's just a start. I have yet to find any article by a reputable source that says CIO is a healthy way to get the baby to sleep. If you have any, I would be more than interested in reading them- and that's not sarcasm at all. I truly would like to see them as I have been unable to find anything.
 
Oh, come on, you know she didn't mean research is pointless.

No, she said,

"You can post studies left and right, and find information on every side of an argument! That is why it is pointless."

Her words, not mine. I asked for clarification.

I said,

"It's pointless to do research?" question mark- as in, it's a question to her because that's what I got from her saying "it's pointless."
 

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